mahavatar babaji

[HarihOm]

Namaste,

While some things maybe hard to prove and its obviously more easy to prove the fakes and charlatans. But does this mean that some of these ancient sciences, which maybe lost or in a injured condition did not hold some secrets to para normal manifestation.

Many of the ancient traditions were oral, and passed on sometimes in secret or only shared among their own kind or when the person was ready by qualification. Would it be dangerous if some of the ancient knowledge was made widely available to the general public, Einstien found a way to make an atomic bomb but he didn't want it used for that being a dedicated pacifist, in the wrong hands some information could be devastating. While science has done some good work, there are many atrocities that have happened in the name of science, I am not looking down at science, just making a point that sometimes we meddle with things when don't fully understand the powers.

The highest Siddhi, the highest perfect is Brahma Jnana, fully realization of the Absolute, anything short of this has limitation, there maybe so many wonders in manifestation but all are considered incomplete without Brahma Jnana, and I am not talking about Brahma Jnana as an intellectual understanding.

Maybe someone discovered a way to slow down the ageing process, and even as Moggallana proved by his Siddhi's he averted death 6 times, but on the 7th time his powers failed him and thus death came, but he was not disturbed by the events as he had full knowledge of something higher, BG chapter 6, verse 20,21,22,23 .

Swami Laxmanjoo says that by the power created in Samadhi one will be offered heavenly gifts, like flying machines that make no sound to travel around the universe, these can only be seen and experienced in the evolving states of Samadhi, he strongly advises one should not accept them. Most leading Acharays have forbid the cultivation and misuse of Siddhi.

 

[Sw. Vandana Jyothi]

For the immaterialist - the world is perceived as thought, time and space are thoughts, there is no thought without the thinker and so there is no question of a world without him. That is, things exist only when we think about them. In short, there is no such thing as a material world for they are only our thoughts.

shivji, Namaste
In this construct of reality, how is it possible that the thinkers end up constructing thoughts which appear to be in agreement with each other? I don't understand how that is possible. For instance, we see a clear sky and all of us call it "blue." Or on a solitary walk, we see a rock, go back to our group of thinkers, call it a rock and not plastic and somehow all the independent thinkers know what we mean? Is there a group-think thought repository that each thinker is tapping into? I don't get it. I read above, "time and space are thoughts" and my mind goes, OK but they are "God's thoughts," not mine. Knowing the nature of the "I"-mind, it seems almost inconceivable that 7.4+ billion people can create a "blue sky" all at the same time. I'm simply baffled or missing data. Is there a simple explanation?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Siddhis and Brahma-jnana are two different things. One who has Brahma-jnana may not believe in siddhis, since they are for people who do not have Brahma-jnana.

 

[HarihOm]

Namaste

Siddhi is used when one has a perfection, it does not just mean mystic power, I am using conversational language in context with the thread, the highest perfection is Brahma Jnana.

But if we are to play with words one who has Brahma Jnana has no beliefs, he is complete, maybe only using them when its needed, Paramahamsa Ji said that the Absolute shares his Vibhuti's with his Devotees

 

[Aupmanyav]

Oh, you do not mean Anima, Mahima, etc. Which Paramahansa Ji? There are about ten thousand in India if not more. That is right, we are but Brahman as all other things also are.

 

[HarihOm]

Namaste,

There is only 1 Paramahamsa Ji if we are talking about mahavatar babaji, I was naturally assuming because He is the title of the thread that people would understand I was referring to Paramahamsa Yoginanda Ji AKA Mukunda Lal Ghosh.

With the word Siddhi I am using it as I would use the word perfection, the highest perfection is Brahma Jnana, please forgive me for not being specific enough. There are not just eight perfections associated with the word Siddhi- aṣṭa-siddhi, Siddhi is a noun which can be translated as "perfection", "accomplishment", "attainment", or "success", so some variation of context was used between mystic siddhi and perfection in Brahma Jnana which is full realization and any other less perfections is incomplete, everything becomes complete in Brahma Jnana, that is my point. aṣṭa-siddhi is accessible to both sura and asura and generally all material sciences, would a Brahma Jnani need them or utilize them, it makes sense in certain situations but I would not know as I am not Brahma Jnani, but if they are used in Seva then perhaps there is an unlimited supply of Vibhut's or opulence's shared..

 

[tender care]

mahavatar babaji

 

[Aupmanyav]

".. would a Brahma Jnani need them or utilize them, it makes sense in certain situations but I would not know as I am not Brahma Jnani, but if they are used in Seva then perhaps there is an unlimited supply of Vibhuti's or opulence's shared.."

A Brahma-jnani is but Brahman (Brahma veda Brahmaiva bhavati). The person has all the attributes of Brahman - being eternal, being uninvolved, being omnipresent. But who said Anima, Mahima (such siddhis) are the attributes of Brahman? In the form of a human, Brahma-jnani will have all attributes of a human and nothing beyond that. If he/she would want to serve people, he would do it himself without any magic involved. Magic/miracles are superstitions, IMHO.

 

[HarihOm]

Namaste ,

It seems you are only relying on the interpretation of Brahman from Adi Shankara, I too accept this whole heartedly, would you accept that there is say an extension of the meaning of Brahman in Kasmiri Shaivism, I use the word extension because I do not see any refutation in the way that some have in terms of literal understanding and highlighting differences, I say these differences are only a further extension of the great discovery of Brahman. Nobody fully understands Brahman, I dont think its possible. Brahman as you know has two features or aspects, Nirguna and Saguna, one with and one without attributes.

sarvam khalvidam brahma

http://www.shaivism.net/articles/11.html

I think your being over picky on the word Siddhi, I used it in three contexts, one as in Eight Mystic Siddhis, , another in terms of perfections that come via Sadhana and Upaya and lastly loosely claiming in context that the highest Siddhi or perfection would be Brahma Jnana, no need to overly complicate it.

 

[HarihOm]

Namaste,

Maybe we can explore the potential of man, I say that he is divine, nor ordinary, I think nothing is ordinary.

Lets us take some perspective from Gita 7.8

 

[Aupmanyav]

From the link posted by you:
"The outward divine manifestation of this creative energy appears in five activities:
1. The activity of creation.
2. The activity of preservation.
3. The activity of dissolution of all the elements including the beings living in them.
4. The activity of self-oblivion.
5. The activity of self-recognition of these created beings.
Stages 1-3 are common to both Kashmir Shaivism as well as Vedanta."

In my view of 'Advaita', there is no creation, birth and death; these being illusions (Brahma satyam, jaganmithya). All perceived simply because of the existence of Brahman.
There is too much occult in such descriptions. I can hardly digest occult. I am a person of few words and simple observations.