Humanistheart
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And did you provide any support for your claim?
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Major errors in the bible - christians whats happening here?
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And did you provide any support for your claim?
Humanistheart
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Great help to you a? Why? did you need to know how much you should sell your daughter for or what level of beating was acceptable for your slave?
godnotgod
Thou art That
True, but now that we KNOW that the literal interpretation IS wrong, let us correct it, so that the spiritual text is properly supported. If they cannot be corrected, then let us remove them, as they are not only useless, but misleading.
This is the problem with dogma.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Jesus and Zen have it right. They both understand that the cart has been improperly placed ahead of the horse. Jesus warned that eternal life cannot be found within the scriptures, so Zen chooses to put the scriptures aside and goes directly to the One Source instead.
That Jesus feller was'nt far from becoming Enlightened after all, was he?
Alan Watts shows us that undergoing a spiritual transformation FIRST is what is required in order to properly understand the scriptures, and NOT the other way around!
The scriptures are second-hand accounts ABOUT the spiritual experience; they are NOT the spiritual experience itself.
The menu is not the meal.
The description is not the described.
Go and realize your own enlightenment first, and then go read the scriptures. The mind must first be elevated to the same level as that of the divine. How do you expect to understand that which is greater than you unless you become at one with that greatness first? Until you do, you will only be attempting to contain the ocean in a glass.
That Jesus feller was'nt far from becoming Enlightened after all, was he?
Alan Watts shows us that undergoing a spiritual transformation FIRST is what is required in order to properly understand the scriptures, and NOT the other way around!
The scriptures are second-hand accounts ABOUT the spiritual experience; they are NOT the spiritual experience itself.
The menu is not the meal.
The description is not the described.
Go and realize your own enlightenment first, and then go read the scriptures. The mind must first be elevated to the same level as that of the divine. How do you expect to understand that which is greater than you unless you become at one with that greatness first? Until you do, you will only be attempting to contain the ocean in a glass.
Sola'lor
LDSUJC
I stated my opinion, based on personal observation, as to why it is is not an error.
If you're trying to insult me, don't bother. Let's say I have a daughter (I do not): she is not mine to sell, for she belongs to no one. I believe slavery to be immoral, just as you do, for no person belongs to any other person. These are not spiritual in any way shape or form; they are cultural and political, and I believe to actually be detrimental to spiritual growth.
We believe we own things, but that notion exists only in our minds. One of the basic concepts any spiritual aspirant must grasp is that nobody truly owns anything.
Let me give you an example of spiritual advice from one of my personal favorites:
"Contact of the senses with their objects generates cold and heat, pleasure and pain. They come and go, being impermanent. Bear with them patiently, O scion of the Bharata race!"
Would you say this is good advice?
More specifically, it's the problem with taking anything that's written down as infallible, which is one of the aspects of many dogmas.
Jesus and Zen have it right. They both understand that the cart has been improperly placed ahead of the horse. Jesus warned that eternal life cannot be found within the scriptures, so Zen chooses to put the scriptures aside and goes directly to the One Source instead.
That Jesus feller was'nt far from becoming Enlightened after all, was he?
Alan Watts shows us that undergoing a spiritual transformation FIRST is what is required in order to properly understand the scriptures, and NOT the other way around!
The scriptures are second-hand accounts ABOUT the spiritual experience; they are NOT the spiritual experience itself.
The menu is not the meal.
The description is not the described.
Go and realize your own enlightenment first, and then go read the scriptures. The mind must first be elevated to the same level as that of the divine. How do you expect to understand that which is greater than you unless you become at one with that greatness first? Until you do, you will only be attempting to contain the ocean in a glass.
The scriptures are guidebooks to enlightenment, written down by enlightened sages for those who aren't enlightened; they are of little or no use to enlightened people.
I don't believe there is any way to "get it right," as different people are inclined to different types of spiritual growth: some are inclined to serve a deity through temple and shrine worship, some are inclined to contemplate said deity, some are inclined to serve the deity through service to the world. It's all about how one is inclined.
Humanistheart
Well-Known Member
I'm sorry I lost track of the thread, what was your point again?
Humanistheart
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Not particularly, no. And as far as i know that's not from the bible, so I'm not sure why you mention it. What is that, hindi?
Bhagavad-Gita. AKA, Spirituality 101. (I think, anyway.)
You don't think it's good advice to just bear with pain patiently, which is not permanent? Is it better to complain and waste energy?
If you want something from the Bible, how about not letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing? This helps keep false pride and arrogance under control by not advertising good deeds to the world.
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My friend - you are basing God on man who looks for answers , a bit back to front ?
linwood
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Actually I`m not doing any such thing.
You are the one who said God looks for answers when you called him a scientist.
First and foremost a scientist is one who looks for answers.
I am applying to the concept of God the omnipresent property it is reported to have by almost every theist I`ve ever met including you.
By stating God is a scientist you are belittling God by suggesting he needs to study the universe in order to understand it .
I have a full and complete understanding of every creation that has ever come from my mind and hands.
I have no need to understand it only to explain it to those who didn`t create it.
By stating God is a scientist you imply that he doesn`t know his creation and seeks to understand it.
That means God also created other texts which, in my opinion, have far greater spiritual worth than the Bible. It also means he created all the other spiritual paths and various religions for us to pick as we saw fit for our own spiritual growth.
In other words, by saying that God created everything, you've just said that all other religions are perfectly valid and all other holy texts which are believed to come from God actually DO come from God, as do all other texts from the highest grade of literature to the most badly written of lemon stories. (Porno fan-fiction.) It also means that God created atheism, which means THAT belief is perfectly valid, as well, as are Left-Hand paths like Satanism.
Sola'lor
LDSUJC
saltandlight
Football Fan
No, obviously not. Are you God? Answer: No.
And may you know that only things that are pure, good, true, and glorious comes from God.
Which is not erotic images which has been conjured up by humans as means of pleasure.
God Himself disapproves of this, nothing else shall be worshipped except Him.
These worldly things are already breaking this command.
From the Hindu/Eastern/Monistic viewpoint, that's absolutely right.
From the Abrahamic/Western/Dualistic viewpoint, you're absolutely right.
Just_me_Mike
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And from ItWillEnd's viewpoint, Riverwolf needs a black and white jersey to befit the status of referee