Majority of Republicans want universal healthcare.

[fantome profane]

Big majorities, including Republicans, support ‘Medicare for all’ policy: Poll

Almost 52 percent of Republicans want Medicare for all according to a recent poll. That is Republicans! For Democrats it is over 84%.

But the real numbers that tell the story are the overall percentages. For Americans in general it is 70%. That is a huge number. And it is opposed by only 20%.

But still the mainstream media will portray policies like this and those who support them as the “radical left”, fringe politicians out of touch. And of course the RW media will portray then as Stalin. But this is what the majority of Americans want.

We are often told that America is split and the divide is tremendous and growing. But so often when you look at the actual issues there is remarkable consensus. People are people. They want to feel safe, they want security, for themselves and their families.

This is an issue that Democrats should run on on November. They will win easily if they do.

 

[Sunstone]

Doesn't matter. The corporations oppose single payer. End of story.

 

[Altfish]

Follow the money...
Who funds the GOP, do they want universal healthcare? Who sings the GOP's songs, does Fox want universal healthcare?

 

[Revoltingest]

Follow the money...
Who funds the GOP, do they want universal healthcare? Who sings the GOP's songs, does Fox want universal healthcare?

The GOP also likes winning elections....& causing Dems to lose them.
Even corporate conspiracy types must have enuf cynicism to see that
if single payer gets the votes, then politicians will sing that tune.

 

[Stevicus]

This is an issue that Democrats should run on on November. They will win easily if they do.

They could also win easily if they'd just go back to being the party of the working man.

 

[fantome profane]

Follow the money...
Who funds the GOP, do they want universal healthcare? Who sings the GOP's songs, does Fox want universal healthcare?

To be fair a lot of Democrats are taking that same money from those same donars. That is why you need to get money out of politics. Then maybe you can get things like this done.

And CNN tends to be very dismissive of actual progressives. They tend to get pundits representing corporate democrats one one side yelling at RW Trump supporters and think they are representing all sides. But real liberals are virtually absent.

 

[fantome profane]

They could also win easily if they'd just go back to being the party of the working man.

That is what this is about. This is a policy for the working man and woman.

 

[Sunstone]

To be fair a lot of Democrats are taking that same money from those same donars. That is why you need to get money out of politics. Then maybe you can get things like this done.

And CNN tends to be very dismissive of actual progressives. They tend to get pundits representing corporate democrats one one side yelling at RW Trump supporters and think they are representing all sides. But real liberals are virtually absent.

Quite true. But not just CNN. Almost all the MSM is doing that.

 

[Sunstone]

They could also win easily if they'd just go back to being the party of the working man.

True. That's what they need to do.

 

[Yerda]

The GOP also likes winning elections....& causing Dems to lose them.
Even corporate conspiracy types must have enuf cynicism to see that
if single payer gets the votes, then politicians will sing that tune.

The gravy train is the reason almost every one of them are in the business of getting elected. You can exchange political power, influence, contacts for cash, contracts, directorships, etc. There's no point in getting elected if they can't use the position to extract wealth.

 

[Stevicus]

That is what this is about. This is a policy for the working man and woman.

True, although that by itself may not be enough. I think they'll still need to focus on other issues as well, particularly wages, price controls, housing, and education.

Plus, they need to double down and launch a full-court press on labor rights. If they did that by reaching out to working class folks in right-to-work red states, helping them form unions and giving them strong national backing, they could revitalize their voting base.

 

[Revoltingest]

The gravy train is the reason almost every one of them are in the business of getting elected. You can exchange political power, influence, contacts for cash, contracts, directorships, etc. There's no point in getting elected if they can't use the position to extract wealth.

Oh, you're so wrong.
Wealth is wonderful, but many already have that.
To wield power...to be powerful....is another intoxicating goal.
To crush your enemies....to see them driven before you....yada yada yada.....

 

[Yerda]

Oh, you're so wrong.
Wealth is wonderful, but many already have that.
To wield power...to be powerful....is another intoxicating goal.
To crush your enemies....to see them driven before you....yada yada yada.....

If a Republican candidate for Congress runs a campaign with universal healthcare at the center they would have a good chance of winning, yes?

They don't though. Why is this?

 

[Stevicus]

Oh, you're so wrong.
Wealth is wonderful, but many already have that.
To wield power...to be powerful....is another intoxicating goal.
To crush your enemies....to see them driven before you....yada yada yada.....

The greatest power, it seems, is the power of illusion and the ability to manipulate the voters. But part of the illusion is in convincing people that power is extremely limited in this country and that the people are "free," so no one who actually has power can really be all that obvious in their wielding of it. Otherwise, it shatters the illusion and all the power is lost.

 

[Yerda]

True, although that by itself may not be enough. I think they'll still need to focus on other issues as well, particularly wages, price controls, housing, and education.

Plus, they need to double down and launch a full-court press on labor rights. If they did that by reaching out to working class folks in right-to-work red states, helping them form unions and giving them strong national backing, they could revitalize their voting base.

Or they could just spread lies about immigrants, demonise Muslims, rail against "the elite", bleat about pc and identity politics, and communicate in meaningless broken sentences full of right wing buzzwords. That also works for some.

 

[PureX]

Big majorities, including Republicans, support ‘Medicare for all’ policy: Poll

Almost 52 percent of Republicans want Medicare for all according to a recent poll. That is Republicans! For Democrats it is over 84%.

But the real numbers that tell the story are the overall percentages. For Americans in general it is 70%. That is a huge number. And it is opposed by only 20%.

But still the mainstream media will portray policies like this and those who support them as the “radical left”, fringe politicians out of touch. And of course the RW media will portray then as Stalin. But this is what the majority of Americans want.

We are often told that America is split and the divide is tremendous and growing. But so often when you look at the actual issues there is remarkable consensus. People are people. They want to feel safe, they want security, for themselves and their families.

This is an issue that Democrats should run on on November. They will win easily if they do.

Sadly, our legislators really don't care what Americans want. They do whatever their corporate sponsors tell them to do, through their bagman-lobbyists, and their corporate sponsors are not interested in what Americans need or want. They are only interested in fleecing America for every dollar they can get away with. So long as we allow the wholesale bribery of our legislature, as we currently are, we will never get universal health care. And we will continue to pay twice what the rest of the world pays for it. Nor will we get any of the other reforms that we so badly need. We are living in a full on oligarchy right now. The citizens are not running the show. They are just an audience to be mesmerized and fleeced for all their worth. America is nothing more than a big 'dog-and-pony show' being put on by a few giant corporate conglomerates run by a few very wealthy white men.

 

[fantome profane]

If a Republican candidate for Congress runs a campaign with universal healthcare at the center they would have a good chance of winning, yes?

They don't though. Why is this?

Actually Donald Trump did, or at least he came very close to doing so. He did not actually use it the words “universal healthcare” but he did promise everyone would be covered, everyone would have great healthcare (“It’ll be fantastic, the best, yuge”).

Of course he lied.

 

[Yerda]

Actually Donald Trump did, or at least he came very close to doing so. He did not actually use it the words “universal healthcare” but he did promise everyone would be covered, everyone would have great healthcare (“It’ll be fantastic, the best, yuge”).

Of course he lied.

Oh aye, I remember that. Who knows he might deliver something yet.

 

[Stevicus]

Or they could just spread lies about immigrants, demonise Muslims, rail against "the elite", bleat about pc and identity politics, and communicate in meaningless broken sentences full of right wing buzzwords. That also works for some.

It works when the other side has nothing better to offer and simply react to the other party confined to the same box of issues.

If both parties are in the pockets of the wealthy and demonstrate that their policies are only for the benefit of the upper classes (which they've both done to an extreme degree), then all the other issues you mention merely become a distraction and a side-show.

Think of the average voter, who may operate under the assumption that he's going to be equally screwed no matter which party gets into power.

I honestly don't believe that there are that many in America who truly want to demonize immigrants or Muslims, nor do I think that they care all that much about PC or identity politics one way or the other. But what is evident to them is that the Democrats are utilizing their power and political capital in ways that don't appear to benefit the average American worker.

The Republicans can use this, not necessarily to rile up hate and racism (although that's a side effect of it all), but to demonstrate that the Democrats care more about other groups and causes which don't benefit the American working class one iota.

This, coupled with statements about "deplorables" and brazenly scornful rhetoric about "flyover country," sends a clear message that coastal Democrats truly hate and despise large sections of America. That's not the way to win elections.

 

[Revoltingest]

If a Republican candidate for Congress runs a campaign with universal healthcare at the center they would have a good chance of winning, yes?

They don't though. Why is this?

When the political climate is changing on an issue,
some get out in front of it, while others lag behind.
Which is best? That's above my pay grade to say.