Malay Muslims upset over Christian use of "Allah" to refer to god

[thau]

Infallible word of God right? If this is true why does the Prodastant Bible have less books in it? Seriously, Jesus never put a pen to paper or anything else. The Bible is written by man and man is not perfect. The only perfect one never wrote anything. Perhaps the "Son of God" has different interpretations or the humans that decided what would be included in the Bible and what would not may or may not got things perfectly right.

Therefore, what? Therefore, anything can be questioned in Scripture? If not anything, then what is the criteria for deciding something may or may not be true?

Incidentally, I am not disagreeing with you, but I submit this is the very reason Jesus established His One true Church. “Whatsoever you hold bound on earth shall be held bound in heaven.”

There are three Abrahamic religions and they have the same God. Who says every word in all three religions are perfectly true, man or God? What are the chances of all three religions getting everything just perfect? You can be God inspired and still make a mistake. That does not however indicate we have different Gods.

No it does not indicate we have different Gods, agreed. I do not even see where the merits of most other religions that are in all indications in line with natural moral law are not also in service to the one true God.

I do not believe the Catholic Church has everything perfect but I do believe there is a great difference amongst all faiths and what merits or grace can be attained via obedience to its laws and prayers through its rituals. Even the saints have been shown to have not been perfect in their prophecies, save for anything associated with the Virgin Mary. What I am obviously leading to is what the Catholic Church says (paraphrase) that the kingdom of heaven is open to all men of any faith or no faith and only God makes such judgments. But the Church is also mandated by Christ to go to all corners of the world witnessing to the gospels.

It is almost like you want to hate any religion that is different than your own and making "their" God different allows this hate. We are commanded to love one another not accuse one another of following a false God.

Agreed.

God created us, we are all his sons and daughters. Muslims believe in the Virgin birth, you did know that right? Perhaps all things were not revealed to all religions, did you ever think of that? We are not to concern ourselves with judgment of others, yet YOU judge other beliefs and say they are not the same God. Judgement is not yours my brother. Leave it to God to sort these things out.

Judgement is too generic of a word with countless variations in applications. I do not believe God wants me to remain silent when life is being killed in the wombs of their mothers. I do not believe God wants me to remain silent when pre-marital sex and immoral lifestyles are being celebrated by our culture and even encouraged by various institutions. God clearly forbids the judgement of souls but neither did He call for Christians to be cowards in the face of Sodom and Gomorrah.

God does not lie. When he promised Hagar a great nation, if it is not the Muslims, where is this great nation of Ismael then?

Yes. One of many prophecies fulfilled.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I do not believe God wants me to remain silent when life is being killed in the wombs of their mothers. I do not believe God wants me to remain silent when pre-marital sex and immoral lifestyles are being celebrated by our culture and even encouraged by various institutions.

I think that God would want us to be concerned with more pressing matters than those. This is what makes me angry about institutionalized religion. Everyone just wants to talk about abortion and gay marriage. I'm sick of it. Start caring about things that actually matter.

 

[thau]

I think that God would want us to be concerned with more pressing matters than those. This is what makes me angry about institutionalized religion. Everyone just wants to talk about abortion and gay marriage. I'm sick of it. Start caring about things that actually matter.

Thanks St. Frank, maybe I should have used a different example? Because the Catholic faith goes way beyond just abortion. Having said that, if one soul dedicated their entire life to trying to stop abortion in a charitable and non-violent way, I am guessing they would be highly honored in heaven.

But to your larger point--- you group all institutionalized religions together? That makes no sense to me? Maybe instead of abortion I should have tried to witness to the immeasurable merits and glory of the Eucharist? Or the immeasurable mercy of the sacrament of Confession? I am willing to hope and believe all souls will somehow make it to heaven, I am not willing to compromise on the eternal value of the sacraments of the Catholic Church.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Thanks St. Frank, maybe I should have used a different example? Because the Catholic faith goes way beyond just abortion. Having said that, if one soul dedicated their entire life to trying to stop abortion in a charitable and non-violent way, I am guessing they would be highly honored in heaven.

Perhaps they would, but the present tactics of the pro-life movement aren't really helping things especially since they have aligned themselves with the conservative movement. But I digress.

But to your larger point--- you group all institutionalized religions together? That makes no sense to me? Maybe instead of abortion I should have tried to witness to the immeasurable merits and glory of the Eucharist? Or the immeasurable mercy of the sacrament of Confession? I am willing to hope and believe all souls will somehow make it to heaven, I am not willing to compromise on the eternal value of the sacraments of the Catholic Church.

I'm just saying that Western Christianity has its social priorities all mixed up.

 

[kaoticprofit]

About 7 years ago in Indonesia Muslim's started printing bibles with the word Allah in it instead of God. It was the Catholics who took them to court over it and WON!

 

[BruceDLimber]

God may have many names and Allah may have many names and Allah may be a name for God, but that doesn't mean that the God of Christianity and the God of Islam are the same God. It is illogical for them to be the same God.

Only in your opinion.

We freely affirm that there's ONLY ONE God--of many names--Who founded all the great religions!

No problem whatever!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

I'm just revisiting this...speaking with my father.

He told me the Indonesian/Malaysian word for God is Tuhan. This is true.

He also said that only Muslims can call god Allah.

Malaysia Court Rules Word

Therefore, everything that contains the word 'Allah' in reference to 'God' that has been printed over the past 1,400 years has to be changed if the Muslims want to keep Allah exclusive to Islam.

 

[Godobeyer]

the arabs christians used Allah to refer to God , so the arab jews i guess too .

I think there is no problem about that .

Allah knows best

 

[Godobeyer]

Infallible word of God right? If this is true why does the Prodastant Bible have less books in it? Seriously, Jesus never put a pen to paper or anything else. The Bible is written by man and man is not perfect. The only perfect one never wrote anything. Perhaps the "Son of God" has different interpretations or the humans that decided what would be included in the Bible and what would not may or may not got things perfectly right.

There are three Abrahamic religions and they have the same God. Who says every word in all three religions are perfectly true, man or God? What are the chances of all three religions getting everything just perfect? You can be God inspired and still make a mistake. That does not however indicate we have different Gods.

It is almost like you want to hate any religion that is different than your own and making "their" God different allows this hate. We are commanded to love one another not accuse one another of following a false God.

God created us, we are all his sons and daughters. Muslims believe in the Virgin birth, you did know that right? Perhaps all things were not reveled to all religions, did you ever think of that? We are not to concern ourselves with judgment of others, yet YOU judge other beliefs and say they are not the same God. Judgement is not yours my brother. Leave it to God to sort these things out.

God does not lie. When he promised Hagar a great nation, if it is not the Muslims, where is this great nation of Ismael then?

I admire you way of express , i am agree with you , why i could not frubal you , except if i give frubal to other member

btw
Sure WE (the muslims) are the great nation my friend