Ben Masada
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Well, perhaps because you keep insisting that man has been created in the image of God, when God has no image for anyone or anything to be created in. God is Incorporeal, and there is no image in incorporeality.
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Man - 'Created in the image of God'
- Thread starter Thorwald Johansen
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Well, perhaps because you keep insisting that man has been created in the image of God, when God has no image for anyone or anything to be created in. God is Incorporeal, and there is no image in incorporeality.
james2ko
Well-Known Member
A bit edgy are we....You forgot you posted it didn't you?...It's ok..We're all human here. Just remember...Someone's always watching..
Ben Masada
Well-Known Member
A bit edgy are we....You forgot you posted it didn't you?...It's ok..We're all human here. Just remember...Someone's always watching..
You are mistaken. I haven't forgotten anything. You must be the one that forgot we had gone through this, and keep insisting that man was created in the image of God, when God has no image, for being incorporeal. If you don't wanna take it from me, take it from Jesus himself. It is in John 4:24. He declared loud and clear that God is Spirit. Spirits don't produce images.
jtartar
Well-Known Member
In Genesis, it is written that God created man in His own image. The ministers that I have talked to, do not take this statement as meaning, "We look like God, or God looks like us". They interpret it as spiritual (ie. "holy", etc.). We know that we are created above all other living things on this earth. In the scriptures, angels appeared in similar form to humans. We know that Christ said, "If you see me, you see my father." If I just apply general logic, and look at the whole animal kingdom as well as man, and even call the young of animals 'sons/daughters', the young look the same as their 'parents' (ie. a newborn fish doesn't change into a turtle). If angels are 'sons of God', and we can become 'equal unto the angels', and angels look like man, then God must look like us?????????
Thorwald,
Since God is THE SPIRIT,21Cor 3:17,18, we definitely do not look like Him. At Gen 1:26, God said Let us make man in our image, He was probably talking to Jesus, since Jesus was the FIRST of God's creations, and after God created Jesus, Jesus took part in everything that was created after him, Col 1:15, Rev 3:14. In Proverbs at 8:22-31, we have a description of the working together of Jesus and God in the creation.
What are called God's Cardinal Attributes, Justice, Wisdom , Power, and Love, were given to us in a very small quantity, that's the image we have in common with God. These are mentioned at Rev 4:7,and are symbolized by The Lion: Justice, The Young Bull: Power, The face of a man: Love, The Eagle: Wisdom.
free spirit
Well-Known Member
jtartar,
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 says it all: “For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the Knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.”
Your immaginations and speculations are not of God, but of your fleshly mind.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 says it all: “For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the Knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.”
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waitasec
Veteran Member
what we see is what we see. so far most christians are liars...
free spirit
Well-Known Member
Yes.. But the most dangerous lies are from the most sincere, from both side of the argument: so we need wisdom to discriminate.
outhouse
Atheistically
OK
There were many different authors of the bible none of which ever witnessed god in my opinion.
You have different opinions and views because many different men wrote these words from oral tales they heard around a campfire for 500 years in some case's before they were written down at many different times when belief was different.
You need to realize all the books of the bible that you see today were not all that were written. There were allot more that a normal man just decided it didnt fit his view for the compilation he was putting together. There was no divinity involved or god like hand creating the finished OT or NT. There were many authors for genesis over hundreds of years and a editor who added freely what ever he felt. The dogma of the church you follow is responsible for your particular belief not the exact words of the bible. And if you are following exact words then you already missed the boat because it was never ment to be read literally. it was ment to be read allegorically. Ask any jew and he will tell you. Jews wrote and invented that god, jesus was a jew and the authors of the NT were jews. When it comes to interpreting the bible I think i would follow how the majority of the jews translate the bible to get ideas. many of the authors wrote fiction and some fables some poems that were all edited long after the fact to create scripture. I garantee you if paul were alive and knew what they were going to do with his letters he would roll in his grave.
You have no fist hand accounts you have no witnesses. You do however have mans imagination.
In my opinion you all have it wrong, god was created in mans image. he was created by man for man and thats why its said "he created man in OUR image" because many men created god. [they left clues on purpose]
Dont get all bent out of shape over reality because that is just my opinion.
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free spirit
Well-Known Member
OK
There were many different authors of the bible none of which ever witnessed god in my opinion.
You have different opinions and views because many different men wrote these words from oral tales they heard around a campfire for 500 years in some case's before they were written down at many different times when belief was different.
You need to realize all the books of the bible that you see today were not all that were written. There were allot more that a normal man just decided it didnt fit his view for the compilation he was putting together. There was no divinity involved or god like hand creating the finished OT or NT. There were many authors for genesis over hundreds of years and a editor who added freely what ever he felt. The dogma of the church you follow is responsible for your particular belief not the exact words of the bible. And if you are following exact words then you already missed the boat because it was never ment to be read literally. it was ment to be read allegorically. Ask any jew and he will tell you. Jews wrote and invented that god, jesus was a jew and the authors of the NT were jews. When it comes to interpreting the bible I think i would follow how the majority of the jews translate the bible to get ideas. many of the authors wrote fiction and some fables some poems that were all edited long after the fact to create scripture. I garantee you if paul were alive and knew what they were going to do with his letters he would roll in his grave.
You have no fist hand accounts you have no witnesses. You do however have mans imagination.
In my opinion you all have it wrong, god was created in mans image. he was created by man for man and thats why its said "he created man in OUR image" because many men created god. [they left clues on purpose]
Dont get all bent out of shape over reality because that is just my opinion.
Your opinion like many others are just that: Owever if you want to find God you don't have to go far because He is within you, all you have to do to meet Him is, "be holy for He is holy" in other words be like him, yes...in his image; that is to simple is it not?
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outhouse
Atheistically
thats not what the bible says.
it states man is made in "OUR" plural image
how do you get around that wording?
outhouse
Atheistically
it could be, but then you need to always read all the words that way as half truth or fiction. not just the ones you choose.
this is the problem i see is that most religious people skip in and out of literal and allegirical translations at there own wanting.
free spirit
Well-Known Member
thats not what the bible says.
it states man is made in "OUR" plural image
how do you get around that wording?
please don't get lost in the wording, for it is in the doing that he meets you.
outhouse
Atheistically
free spirit
Well-Known Member
You want logical sense:
Yes I will give you logic: as you know words are chip, and too many believers don't go past that; for the doing is hard, but that is what separetes the false from the true believer. What is more logican than that.
outhouse
Atheistically
so what the heck are you saying????
yourtalking in circles spit it out man lol
why does the bible say "OUR" ,,,, made man in OUR image
free spirit
Well-Known Member
so what the heck are you saying????
yourtalking in circles spit it out man lol
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why does the bible say "OUR" ,,,, made man in OUR image
Because for all intentions and purposes God is one; however He olso has three facets as it were: 1) there is God the father: I personally believe that the father is rapresented by the LAW of the universe and the moral LAWS of men. 2) God the son is the word of God: who became flesh to free us from the slavery of sin. 3) God the holy spirit who proocides from the father and the son: his job is to leed the repenting sinner back to the image of God.
Now If it is to complicated to understand do not discart the above explanation but sleep on it, in time all will be made clier to you by God for only God can give you a living understanding of the above
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outhouse
Atheistically
now we know man wrote the bible, maybe just maybe you think these mortal men could have made a few mistakes here and there???
your not making a lick of sense.
your saying god made man in his image
your saying jesus mad man in his image
your saying a spirit made man in a spirits image???
this is the hey word here and your best proof of the meaning.
honestly i think you would have more credibility with this method.
good luck with that
Nadia Faiazova
Member
In a sense, people are created in the image of God means that they can reflect his qualities, such as love, wisdom, mercy, justice and so on. We have physical bodies, and that's why it doesn't mean that God has the same nature as we do, because Jesus said :"God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth."( John 4:24)