Man is not an animal

[Mark Charles Compton]

@IThoughtAboutIt What are your thoughts on this photo?

The Orangutan was unsuccessful at catching any fish, but I would still argue that he was taught how to eat for a lifetime.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Animals such as horses and birds, and gorillas, insofar as I know cannot learn to read music, or write history books, can they? Or test genealogical differences, right?

We are a very intelligent, communicative and creative animal then. I still cannot echo locate though or use bio-electrical discharges for hunting or defense.

Animals have myriad differences and all remain animals. Spiders cannot fly, but birds can. They are both animals. Wasps can sting (the females anyway) and turtles rely on shells for defense, but both are still animals.

That differences exist and can be extensive in form and function does not mean that a creature is not an animal when it has all the characteristics that define animals.

 

[IThoughtAboutIt]

Plants die yet can have seeds that produce other plants. Animals die, too.They do of course, produce offspring. Humans now die, but are the only ones that have the idea of everlasting life in their minds. Now naturally not all ideas are the same, but still -- plants do not think they can live forever -- or be resurrected when they die -- although they have seeds, neither do lions or tigers or chimpanzees have ideas about resurrections or everlasting life. Only humans have that idea. Even if I don't agree with all human ideas about death and eternal life -- humans are still the only ones who express ideas about it.

How do you know that no other animal has any concept of living forever or an afterlife? Many species have exhibited behavior consistent with mourning for weeks after losing one of their offspring or a mate. Even elephants unrelated to a dead elephant have demonstrated behavior consistent with paying respect to the dead, comforting and supporting close family members, and complex social group interactions. At least one elephant was documented visiting the site of her offspring‘s death on a regular basis whenever seasonal movements brought her near the site for years after the death and spending days at the site demonstrating behavior consistent with mourning and being comforted by other herd members, some of which never even knew the dead elephant.

Death response has been exhibited in dozens of species.

if they can exhibit this behavior, then how do you know they can’t conceive of living forever or an afterlife?

 

[IThoughtAboutIt]

The problem with your argument is the fact that chimpanzees cannot learn to read music -- horses cannot learn to read and speak other languages. Oh neither can gorillas. They can't test theories, they don't express thoughts in newspapers, the internet -- but if you think so and you think that means that the human brain evolved from some unknown common ancestor somewhere -- ok -- that's you. Not me. I used to believe that, but I no longer do. Anyway, have a good one.

No that’s not a problem with my argument. You thinking that’s a problem with my argument is a problem with your thinking and an indication of your lack of understanding.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No that’s not a problem with my argument. You thinking that’s a problem with my argument is a problem with your thinking and an indication of your lack of understanding.

I want to know what language horses speak and why they cannot learn other languages besides the one they do speak. I always thought of horses as denialists, since they always say neigh without even bothering to discuss the arguments.

 

[IThoughtAboutIt]

@IThoughtAboutIt What are your thoughts on this photo?

The Orangutan was unsuccessful at catching any fish, but I would still argue that he was taught how to eat for a lifetime.

I’m not familiar with the photo or certain of its veracity. But it honestly wouldn’t surprise me. Even birds (Woodpecker Finch) make and use tools to spear insects in cracks and under bark. I have to wonder if the orangutans time amongst humans taught it to pay attention and learn, did it learn to learn? And if it keeps practicing could it eventually have success? Or is it just imitating behavior observed without understanding the possibility of catching a fish?

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

understanding the possibility of catching a fish?

This is also an inquiry of my own... I can argue that if luck or chance happening occurred and the Orangutan would have pulled the spear back out of the water with a fish skewered at the end of the stick... I could imagine the *BOOM mind blown* moment that would have erupted.

 

[IThoughtAboutIt]

I want to know what language horses speak and why they cannot learn other languages besides the one they do speak. I always thought of horses as denialists, since they always say neigh without even bothering to discuss the arguments.

Let me go out to the barn real quick and ask Ed. He’ll know.

 

[IThoughtAboutIt]

This is also an inquiry of my own... I can argue that if luck or chance happening occurred and the Orangutan would have pulled the spear back out of the water with a fish skewered at the end of the stick... I could imagine the *BOOM mind blown* moment that would have erupted.

Definitely. But even if he just saw humans pulling fish out, might he wonder if he could have some success?

 

[Mark Charles Compton]

I want to know what language horses speak and why they cannot learn other languages besides the one they do speak.

@IThoughtAboutIt is running out to the Barn where Ed hangs out... I'll let you know, I already got it straight from the horses mouth. Peanut Butter, they speak Peanut Butter.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I’m not familiar with the photo or certain of its veracity. But it honestly wouldn’t surprise me. Even birds (Woodpecker Finch) make and use tools to spear insects in cracks and under bark. I have to wonder if the orangutans time amongst humans taught it to pay attention and learn, did it learn to learn? And if it keeps practicing could it eventually have success? Or is it just imitating behavior observed without understanding the possibility of catching a fish?

That is an interesting thought. We had a guy on here that I haven't seen in a while, but he knew a lot about animal behavior and might have had some interesting points to your post. Shame he hasn't been around in a while.

I could imagine that an orangutan is intelligent enough to learn something like that, but really have no idea.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

@IThoughtAboutIt is running out to the Barn where Ed hangs out... I'll let you know, I already got it straight from the horses mouth. Peanut Butter, they speak Peanut Butter.

It just struck me as humorous that the claim @IThoughtAboutIt responded to included a statement that "horses couldn't learn to read or speak other languages". Depending on how you read that it seems to imply that horses do read and speak a language. That would be a rather amazing development for horses and for science.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

@IThoughtAboutIt is running out to the Barn where Ed hangs out... I'll let you know, I already got it straight from the horses mouth. Peanut Butter, they speak Peanut Butter.

I speak peanut butter, but just the chunky style dialect and the odd bit of smooth.

 

[IThoughtAboutIt]

I speak peanut butter, but just the chunky style dialect and the odd bit of smooth.

APPLES! Ed likes apples! He will make due with peanut butter, but he loooves apples.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I used to get into serious arguments with the local squirrels about who can and cannot use my bird feeders. I would try some new technique to keep those squirrels out of the feeder. After a number of failures, I grew interested in how they were getting around my efforts. It seems like as soon as one learned how to overcome whatever barrier I had created the others learned from that groundbreaker's work. Certainly, the reward for trying to find a way around my barriers or from following the efforts of that intrepid originator was a significant incentive to drive that education.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

APPLES! Ed likes apples! He will make due with peanut butter, but he loooves apples.

I can't fault Ed for that. I like them too. I'm fond of crisp, somewhat tart, but generally mildly sweet apple myself. Though, I won't turn my nose up to just about any type of apple and despite my statement, I also have a periodic desire for Granny Smiths.

Does this mean that horses and rabbits are not animals, since people like apples too. It boggles my mind, this science.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I used to get into serious arguments with the local squirrels about who can and cannot use my bird feeders. I would try some new technique to keep those squirrels out of the feeder. After a number of failures, I grew interested in how they were getting around my efforts. It seems like as soon as one learned how to overcome whatever barrier I had created the others learned from that groundbreaker's work. Certainly, the reward for trying to find a way around my barriers or from following the efforts of that intrepid originator was a significant incentive to drive that education.

Just a note. During those times, my descriptions and the words I used in reference to the squirrels in no way reflect the much more positive descriptions of them used in the above post.

 

[IThoughtAboutIt]

I can't fault Ed for that. I like them too. I'm fond of crisp, somewhat tart, but generally mildly sweet apple myself. Though, I won't turn my nose up to just about any type of apple and despite my statement, I also have a periodic desire for Granny Smiths.

Does this mean that horses and rabbits are not animals, since people like apples too. It boggles my mind, this science.

Horses can’t be animals because they can’t be saddled. I never saw a Grizzly running around with a saddle. I never saw fish swimming around with a saddle. Rabbits are a little bit different. They can’t be animals because they can sing opera and had the first representatives in space land on Mars. I never heard a spider singing opera.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Plants die yet can have seeds that produce other plants. Animals die, too.They do of course, produce offspring. Humans now die, but are the only ones that have the idea of everlasting life in their minds. Now naturally not all ideas are the same, but still -- plants do not think they can live forever -- or be resurrected when they die -- although they have seeds, neither do lions or tigers or chimpanzees have ideas about resurrections or everlasting life. Only humans have that idea. Even if I don't agree with all human ideas about death and eternal life -- humans are still the only ones who express ideas about it.

Humans have many delusions, so your point is? That this particular one (everlasting life) isn't such? Just wait and come back with the answer.

 

[Kfox]

Animals do not have articulate speech and poets. Man is not an animal.

Yes, the animals can communicate. But they have no articulate speech. There is difference: articulate communication, and non-articulate one. Articulate one has alphabet. Do whales have letters in alphabet order?

Many humans do use alphabet. Some humans are sick or not developed so much, so they do not.
But no bear, wolf, nor spider is using alphabet.

According to this ridiculous theory a newborn baby is an animal??
No. I repeat: "Many humans do use alphabet. Some humans are sick or not developed so much"

IF you define an animal.....
I am not defining. I am saying fact:

Only humans use alphabet.

Some humans are humans, but do not use alphabet (they are e.g. babies).

But no single bear has used alphabet. Hence, humans are not bears.

HOWEVER, there are plenty of apes who use ASL (a type of alphabet)??
Why a type of alphabet, but not actual alphabet? Can you list right here the first 10 letters of monkeys alphabet? And what words are there in their language? How they sound?

But the real thing that sets us apart from animals is the spiritual component, almost all humans understand that they are spiritual beings??
They have replied, that monkeys built primitive holy places as well.

CONCLUSION:

Animals know the Lord, unlike the atheists. Top primates are religious, and praying, and having alphabet.
But they are not human, because they have mortal soul.

John Nash was a Nobel Prize winner in economic science and a member of the Academy of Sciences. He was also highly delusional and spent considerable periods in psychiatric hospitals.
Most people are schizophrenic, because schizophrenia is a person's split. Major splits are: Faith vs. Knowledge, Religion vs. Science, State vs. Church separation.

People with schizophrenia require lifelong treatment??
Not all people. For example, the atheists have schizophrenic split between God and reality. But most of them are not in mental clinics.

I suspect you are confusing "animal" with "Beast". Man is an animal (warm blooded, air breathing, omnivore) but he is not a beast.