Manifestation

[IndigoChild5559]

God is not a carbon based life form but I believe that God manifests as one.

My friend, I think we shall have to simply agree to disagree.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

God and god manifest aren’t the same

You'll need to explain the difference then. Thanks in advance.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I have yet to see any indisputable empirical evidence to prove to me that there is a god manifest walking the earth or that any gods exist at all. In fact, I sincerely searched to find the Abrahamic God for forty years, but I never found any compelling evidence of his existence. I've never visually seen a god, spoken directly to a god, or sensed the presence of a god at any time in my almost fifty-one years of life on this earth. However, I'm willing to consider the possibility because I believe in the supernatural. Having said that, I won't accept the existence of a god by faith because I spent forty years of my life believing in God, only to end up disillusioned. I had genuine faith in this god for the majority of my life, but I never had a personal encounter with him.

 

[Jimmy]

I have yet to see any indisputable empirical evidence to prove to me that there is a god manifest walking the earth or that any gods exist at all. In fact, I sincerely searched to find the Abrahamic God for forty years, but I never found any compelling evidence of his existence. I've never visually seen a god, spoken directly to a god, or sensed the presence of a god at any time in my almost fifty-one years of life on this earth. However, I'm willing to consider the possibility because I believe in the supernatural. Having said that, I won't accept the existence of a god by faith because I spent forty years of my life believing in the Abrahamic God, only to end up disillusioned. I had faith in this god for the majority of my life, but I've never had a personal encounter with him.

You Can’t feel his presence.? I can

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

You Can’t feel his presence.? I can

I've already clarified that I haven't. So, what's the point of asking me this question? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and won't think that you're only trying to gloat. If you truly have, then good for you. However, I'm inclined to believe that a person's emotions can be manipulated into believing they sense the presence of a god. I think this could be caused by direct influence from others or religious indoctrination. But, of course, this is just my opinion.

 

[Jimmy]

I've already clarified that I haven't. So, what's the point of asking me this question? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and won't think that you're only trying to gloat. If you truly have, then good for you. However, I'm inclined to believe that a person's emotions can be manipulated into believing they sense the presence of a god. I think this could be caused by direct influence from others or religious indoctrination. But, of course, this is just my opinion.

No emotion or religion involved here.

 

[Trailblazer]

My friend, I think we shall have to simply agree to disagree.

I don't think you understand what I meant by what I said. I don't not mean that God became a man, that would be incarnation, not manifestation.

Being manifested in the flesh is not the same as being incarnated in the flesh. The excerpt below from a longer article explains the difference between a Manifestation of God and an incarnation of God.

“The Christian equivalent to the Bahá'í concept of Manifestation is the concept of incarnation. The word to incarnate means 'to embody in flesh or 'to assume, or exist in, a bodily (esp. a human) form (Oxford English Dictionary). From a Bahá'í point of view, the important question regarding the subject of incarnation is, what does Jesus incarnate? Bahá'ís can certainly say that Jesus incarnated Gods attributes, in the sense that in Jesus, Gods attributes were perfectly reflected and expressed.[4] The Bahá'í scriptures, however, reject the belief that the ineffable essence of the Divinity was ever perfectly and completely contained in a single human body, because the Bahá'í scriptures emphasize the omnipresence and transcendence of the essence of God…..

One can argue that Bahá'u'lláh is asserting that epistemologically the Manifestations are God, for they are the perfect embodiment of all we can know about God; but ontologically they are not God, for they are not identical with God's essence. Perhaps this is the meaning of the words attributed to Jesus in the gospel of John: 'If you had known me, you would have known my Father also' (John 14:7) and 'he who has seen me has seen the Father (John 14:9)…...”

Jesus Christ in the Bahá'í Writings

 

[Trailblazer]

Having said that, I won't accept the existence of a god by faith because I spent forty years of my life believing in God, only to end up disillusioned.

I have no problem believing that there is a God, not only on faith, but on reason, but I do have a problem believing that God has all the attributes that Abrahamic religions say He has. I don't have a problem believing that God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all wise, but I cannot believe that God is the most glorious and that God is loving just because scriptures say that, since it doesn't make sense to me.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You Can’t feel his presence.? I can

And animists "sense the presence" of nature spirits. Feelings and intuitions cannot always be trusted.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I don't think you understand what I meant by what I said. I don't not mean that God became a man, that would be incarnation, not manifestation.

I think we can perhaps, given that distinction, make an argument that God can manifest, such as at the burning bush. But I think that IF this is true (and it's debatable), it would be extraordinarily rare and transient, meaning that you can't take a person who lives 70 years, and claim that theyi are a manifestation of God.

 

[SalixIncendium]

You Can’t feel his presence.? I can

What does it feel like?

 

[Jimmy]

And animists "sense the presence" of nature spirits. Feelings and intuitions cannot always be trusted.

Intellectual awareness of his existence and purpose can be trusted.

 

[Trailblazer]

I think we can perhaps, given that distinction, make an argument that God can manifest, such as at the burning bush. But I think that IF this is true (and it's debatable), it would be extraordinarily rare and transient, meaning that you can't take a person who lives 70 years, and claim that theyi are a manifestation of God.

As you might know, Baha'is believe that Messengers of God have been sent by God throughout historical time, and we often refer to those Messengers as Manifestations of God. You might say thy are rare since thy only appear every 500-1000 years.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Intellectual awareness of his existence and purpose can be trusted.

No it can't. I gave you an example of someone in a very different religion having the exact same intuition but about nature spirits. Do you think THEIR sense is trustworthy?

BTW, intuitions and feelings are not ordinarily referred to as "intellectual awareness."

 

[IndigoChild5559]

As you might know, Baha'is believe that Messengers of God have been sent by God throughout historical time, and we often refer to those Messengers as Manifestations of God. You might say thy are rare since thy only appear every 500-1000 years.

Yes, I'm aware that you believe that as a Baha'i. I however, am Jewish.

 

[Link]

Do you believe god manifest is walking the earth?

Yes and he will meet every sincere person that turns to God often and guide them to God.

 

[Jimmy]

No it can't. I gave you an example of someone in a very different religion having the exact same intuition but about nature spirits. Do you think THEIR sense is trustworthy?

BTW, intuitions and feelings are not ordinarily referred to as "intellectual awareness."

Sure! Why not?
Also btw The brain and the heart is a two-way relationship.

 

[Link]

Sure! Why not?
Also btw The brain and the heart is a two-way relationship.

Everywhere we are, their is spiritual presence, and while things may seem inanimate they witness us and their energy is also witnessed by our spirit. The difference is they are aware, while we are unaware and heedless because Satan has made people disbelieve in unseen and not witness it.

Thoughts are never our own. It's always from unseen entities. We have a certain way of translating those transmissions, and putting into our own words, but they are never just formulated by us. Rather, we tune in, and download. Some information takes longer to download and understand.

The Guide on earth is the source of goodness and the guide towards it and every good emanates from him.

The cursed tree on the other hand is from Satan and all evil stems from him.

The brain is simple like the webpage you see. It's not the code, it's just an avatar in this world to make us interact in this world.

What really goes us and we ourselves are unseen.

 

[Link]

The first thing to realize is everything is in everything. Than after that, realize there is distance from things. Who we love we are closer to. If we love God and his guides, we are closer to goodness. If we cling to unclean entities and unclean people, we will belong ourselves to the cursed tree.

Everything is in everything at the same time, is the first and most important sense to have. Everything lives in everything at the same time. And this way you can distance and bring yourself closer to where you need to by the power of "love" which not only feels like is a magnet, but is in fact, exactly that.

There are verses for example in Quran, where as people of paradise have access to look at anyone in hell. This is even in the next world, with the distance from heaven and hell, everything is still in everything.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Sure! Why not?
Also btw The brain and the heart is a two-way relationship.

I see. So contradictory ideas are both true. You win the prize for logic.