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Mankind's rebellion against God

Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I hear so much about Mankind's Rebellion against God. I hear that all of the Worlds problems are the result of Mankind's Rebellion against God.

So why does God give people rebellious hearts? God could give everybody the same heart and mind he gave John the Baptist and the Virgin Mary and people would behave like that.

So why does God want us to be so rebellious?

I pray to God unceasingly to have a healthy heart and mind with understanding , so that I make good choices and do his will. God refuses to provide the grace. Why? It's because God wants me to be broken, insane, impulsive, perverted, anxious, cynical, depressed, and confused. If God didn't want me that way, he would easily heal me.

I've prayed to God that I wouldn't troll on RF... sometimes my immaturity and impulsivity leads me to relapse.

I'm thinking about throwing my phone in the lake because I can't seem to moderate my internet addiction.

I'm too impulsive... No matter how much I prayed to God to relieve me of my impulsivity and defects, I get little help. I've come to the conclusion that God wants me to have these defects. The question is why? My answer to that question is to keep me humble (I guess).

People are naturally inclined to rebel against God. It isn't their fault that they're naturally inclined that way , it's God's fault. God could give them a healthy heart and Mind , and he refuses, thus he is responsible for the Rebellion.

Religion is severely divided, and those who seek the truth are coming to opposite conclusions.

God is at fault for that as well, because he could speak to everybody that seeks the truth, give them Clarity , and protect them from delusion, and he refuses to.

I feel justified in my resentment and grievances against God! He is clearly responsible for Mankind's rebellion , and responsible for all of the world's misery.

The damage Satan and the Fallen Angels do is also God's fault... God knew before he made them that they would Rebel and cause problems. He could have never made them in the first place.

He could protect us from them deceiving us and leading us astray and he refuses. God is at fault for human frailty! It's friggin obvious!
 
Valjean

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
An omnipotent God could change men's hearts with a flick of His wrist, and make us gentle as sheep. He chooses not to do so.
An omnipotent God could make Himself known. He could declare His will through every media outlet. He could thunder His will from the heavens. He does not do so.
Apparently He's fine with the divisiveness and tribalism of his creation.
 
RedDragon94

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
PopeADope said:
You have to look at that in the context that he knew mankind would fall and rebel against him.
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There's a big difference between knowing what someone will do and wanting them to do it.

Love tests our mettle. If Adam and Eve really loved God they would have gone a different spiritual direction.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
RedDragon94 said:
There's a big difference between knowing what someone will do and wanting them to do it.

Love tests our mettle. If Adam and Eve really loved God they would have gone a different spiritual direction.
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God knew Adam would eat the fruit. God could have made Adam smarter and more obedient.

God could have never tempted him with the forbidden fruit in the first place if he knew he would just fall anyways
 
Rinchen

Rinchen

Member
RedDragon94 said:
If Adam and Eve really loved God they would have gone a different spiritual direction.
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If God loved Adam and Eve, why would he have given them a different spiritual direction?

I just don't get the reluctance, that many theists have, to recognize that according to their own beliefs this all is God's fault.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
So why does God want us to be so rebellious?
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I think rebellion exists just to keep us all honest - more or less. But humans are rebellious against other humans, not against "God," even if such a being actually exists.

If we're talking about an omniscient, omnipresent, all-powerful being, then we puny humans wouldn't stand a chance. Why should He care if humans wish to rebel against Him? It's like rebelling against a hurricane or an earthquake. It would be like rebelling against the Sun and the Moon. How can humans "rebel against God"?

But humans can rebel against other humans.
 
Enoch07

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
PopeADope said:
I hear so much about Mankind's Rebellion against God. I hear that all of the Worlds problems are the result of Mankind's Rebellion against God.

So why does God give people rebellious hearts? God could give everybody the same heart and mind he gave John the Baptist and the Virgin Mary and people would behave like that.

So why does God want us to be so rebellious?

I pray to God unceasingly to have a healthy heart and mind with understanding , so that I make good choices and do his will. God refuses to provide the grace. Why? It's because God wants me to be broken, insane, impulsive, perverted, anxious, cynical, depressed, and confused. If God didn't want me that way, he would easily heal me.

I've prayed to God that I wouldn't troll on RF... sometimes my immaturity and impulsivity leads me to relapse.

I'm thinking about throwing my phone in the lake because I can't seem to moderate my internet addiction.

I'm too impulsive... No matter how much I prayed to God to relieve me of my impulsivity and defects, I get little help. I've come to the conclusion that God wants me to have these defects. The question is why? My answer to that question is to keep me humble (I guess).

People are naturally inclined to rebel against God. It isn't their fault that they're naturally inclined that way , it's God's fault. God could give them a healthy heart and Mind , and he refuses, thus he is responsible for the Rebellion.

Religion is severely divided, and those who seek the truth are coming to opposite conclusions.

God is at fault for that as well, because he could speak to everybody that seeks the truth, give them Clarity , and protect them from delusion, and he refuses to.

I feel justified in my resentment and grievances against God! He is clearly responsible for Mankind's rebellion , and responsible for all of the world's misery.

The damage Satan and the Fallen Angels do is also God's fault... God knew before he made them that they would Rebel and cause problems. He could have never made them in the first place.

He could protect us from them deceiving us and leading us astray and he refuses. God is at fault for human frailty! It's friggin obvious!
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Free will. The End teehee
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
It simply is not possible for a mere human to understand God. His thinking is further above ours than ours is above grass.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
RedDragon94 said:
Adam knew all he needed to know. He didn't care.

God could've just not created. That would've solved the problem right?
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Or, God could speak clearly to his people and give them understanding and healthy Minds hearts and souls and doesn't have to punish everybody for Adam and Eve sin.
 
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