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Manned Space Travel.....Pbbbbbttttttt!

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
OK! :p

What is there on Mars that justifies it as a colonisation prospect which is sufficiently important to overcome the immense costs incurred by the changes in delta-V required to traffic between it and Earth or near-Earth space?
It may never be cost effective to go from Earth to Mars at all. A colonial mission to Mars will hopefully inspire a moon base on our moon, followed by manufacturing of fuel off-Earth. As with starting a fire or priming a pump, the organizers of Mars colonization are trying to get something going. That is a lot harder than adding to something that is already in motion.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
It may never be cost effective to go from Earth to Mars at all. A colonial mission to Mars will hopefully inspire a moon base on our moon, followed by manufacturing of fuel off-Earth. As with starting a fire or priming a pump, the organizers of Mars colonization are trying to get something going. That is a lot harder than adding to something that is already in motion.

Ah I don't know about never, that's a very long time. I think it likely civilisation will saturate the Galaxy in time.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Obviously we can't tune in live to the entire galaxy in every direction at one time. But if you ever stood out on a brilliant starlit night in a very dark area, most people haven't- it's obvious why you don't have to.
We only have to search within the galactic plane, which by definition is a very limited portion of the sky, and within that, the densest regions obviously offer the best odds. And ET would also look for us in that narrow plane, in a nice quiet suburb, nice main sequence single yellow star system.. then see nice stable orbits, protective gas giants, an inner rocky planet in the habitable zone.. one thing would lead to another

Our planet has presented an ideal piece of vacant real estate, for hundreds of millions of years. If civilizations were at all common, they would have spotted this for sale sign a 'galactic' mile away- not only would we have heard or seen them, they would have been here personally a long time ago (ancient alien theories not withstanding).

The belief that they are out there but hidden, relies on the further belief that not one single civilization ever developed the capacity to colonize, even though it could have been done with tech. little better than our own, many times over by now-
or that some galactic treaty prevents disturbing uncontacted tribes - not impossible but it's walking a pretty thin line.

But the observation merely supports the math, the odds of another planet like Earth existing in the universe, far less our own galaxy, are not too great.
Let's just say I disagree with your assumptions, and therefore your conclusions, and leave it at that.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Here's a graphic that might help visualize the problem of getting out of gravity wells in the solar system
gravity_wells_large.png


It's an illustration found at the wikipedia site Gravity well - Wikipedia
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Venus and Mercury are a better gamble if preserving the species is the goal, because despite hot temperatures there is at least lots of solar energy available. Mars is going to take a lot of warming up.

Government money, yes; but its possible that private firms or religions may want to establish Martian colonies. They can spend their money how they like.

RC Racers are even cheaper and easily repaired. What's your point?

Finding alien life is perhaps not as glamorous as it used to be.
Well, isn't that special !
 
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