Proportional? Lex talionus? This is simple, primitive vengeance, not tailored to repair the psychopathology of the offender, but to assuage the ire of the offended, and perhaps deter crime through fear of consequences. Compassion plays no part in your objective justice.Apples and oranges? Then why raise the question? There is nothing "childlike" about justice being objective and that a sentence be proportional to the crime.
Indulging the retributive anger of the offended by hurting the offender is not what I'd call either just or compassionate. Hurting a second person in retribution for the original hurt just multiplies the total hurt, and would please only the compassion-challenged. It would not repair the harm done.It must be nice to be so indiffernt about others' suffering while claiming to have compassion. The hypocrisy is boggling. The victims are ignored and written off, but the person who caused all the misery for them and for herself deserves nothing but compassion?
Harming the offender does not benefit the offended. It indulges their vindictiveness and primitive sense of "you hurt me so I'll hurt you." This is a child's level of morality.I'm cruel to say that the victims should be the priority, not just the deceased but those who became collateral damage? Then what does that make you? Your stance is utterly tone-deaf and heartless. "The damage has been done", "it is what it is", "Vindictive".
NoYou want to talk about cruelty? How about the families were lied to by California, told not to worry when the death sentences were commuted, and assured none would ever actually be paroled? How many times have they had their wounds reopened and salted? The wounds they're supposed to "get over" because "The damage has been done", "it is what it is"? Are they just "vindictive"? Please explain.
How about the fact Van Houten's actions destroyed their 15-year-old son? That he was unable to simply "move on" deespite "the damage was done" and immediately turned to alcoholism while a teen and recently died a broken man from it? I suppose that's his fault, not hers? Get over it, vindictive crybaby, the person who really needs compassion is the murderer, she had to do jail time. Or how about his sister, Suzan, who rushed over when he raised the alarm? Her own daughter, the LaBiancas' granddaughter, was brutally stabbed to death 2 years ago. Now Suzan learns her parents' murderer has been released after years of being assured she would not be. What faith is she supposed to have as she relives not only that murder while enduring the pain of her daughter's murder? Maybe they should just forego a trial altogether because the poor guy will only be subjected tojusticevindictiveness and cruelty when sentenced. She just needs to move on because "the damage has been done", "it is what it is". Now, let's show some compassion and worry about the murderer's feelings.
This is Jesus' take on justice: "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."I didn't bring up Christian values, you did. I commented that doing so is irrelevant and hypocritical. Though I'll amend that by saying "misplaced, at best".
Matthew (5:38-42)
And Gandhi's: "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
Your 'compassion' seems like deliberately hurtful retribution. Any benefit to the offended must need be feeding his vindictiveness.
My position is compassionate and utilitarian.Just because your arguments are based on skewed "compassion" doesn't mean another position is also emotionally based. You are simply wrong to think it has anything to do with either vindictiveness or hatred. Justice is blind, as I said before. And, once again, has been poorly served.
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