Many different religious opinions

[The Kilted Heathen]

I believe it is for God to decide and He is in me.

That's nice, but that doesn't make you god. And still yet, you are not the arbiter for what is right for other people based on your beliefs - neither is your god, for that matter, regardless of your beliefs. And thank goodness for that.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I believe brainwashing can accomplish that quite well. Fortunately I am able to think independently

If the government of your country told you to go kill people in a different country, what would you do? I know what Christendom’s done…


Catholic historian E. I. Watkin acknowledged: “Painful as the admission must be, we cannot in the interest of a false edification or dishonest loyalty deny or ignore the historical fact that Bishops have consistently supported all wars waged by the government of their country. I do not know in fact of a single instance in which a national hierarchy has condemned as unjust any war . . . Whatever the official theory, in practice ‘my country always right’ has been the maxim followed in wartime by Catholic Bishops.”

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Protestant clergyman Harry Emerson Fosdick admitted: “Even in our churches we have put the battle flags . . . With one corner of our mouth we have praised the Prince of Peace and with the other we have glorified war.”

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Columnist Mike Royko of the Chicago Tribune wrote: "Nor have Christians ever been squeamish about waging wars on other Christians. If they had been, most of the liveliest wars in Europe would never have occurred.”

Who’s really been brainwashed?

What corruption! I’m glad we’re no part of it anymore!

 

[Muffled]

Measurement takes place with instruments. Someone else may measure using the the same instrument and observe the same result.



What the mind does is record the results

I believe the mind also interprets the results, usually based on experience coming from education or discovery.

 

[ChristineM]

I believe the mind also interprets the results, usually based on experience coming from education or discovery.

So long as the interpreted gives the same result then no problem.

 

[Muffled]

That's nice, but that doesn't make you god. And still yet, you are not the arbiter for what is right for other people based on your beliefs - neither is your god, for that matter, regardless of your beliefs. And thank goodness for that.

I believe my mind and spirit are not God but the Spirit of God is in my mind overseeing it.

I believe God will definitely dispose of matters according to His will.

 

[Muffled]

If the government of your country told you to go kill people in a different country, what would you do? I know what Christendom’s done…


Catholic historian E. I. Watkin acknowledged: “Painful as the admission must be, we cannot in the interest of a false edification or dishonest loyalty deny or ignore the historical fact that Bishops have consistently supported all wars waged by the government of their country. I do not know in fact of a single instance in which a national hierarchy has condemned as unjust any war . . . Whatever the official theory, in practice ‘my country always right’ has been the maxim followed in wartime by Catholic Bishops.”

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Protestant clergyman Harry Emerson Fosdick admitted: “Even in our churches we have put the battle flags . . . With one corner of our mouth we have praised the Prince of Peace and with the other we have glorified war.”

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Columnist Mike Royko of the Chicago Tribune wrote: "Nor have Christians ever been squeamish about waging wars on other Christians. If they had been, most of the liveliest wars in Europe would never have occurred.”

Who’s really been brainwashed?

What corruption! I’m glad we’re no part of it anymore!

I believe if I believed the war was God's will , then I would fight if required. If I believed the war was not God's will I would become a conscientious objector.

I believe that means you reject God's will based on you own wrong ideas about the Bible.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I believe if I believed the war was God's will , then I would fight if required. If I believed the war was not God's will I would become a conscientious objector.

I believe that means you reject God's will based on you own wrong ideas about the Bible.

That is a vague, ambiguous answer!

“if I believed the war was God's will …..
If I believed the war was not God's will….”

And how would you figure that out? What determining factors?

You said you think I “reject God’s will”… what do you think God’s will is?

Do you think Christendom is doing it? For the most part, they’ve apostatized from Christ’s teachings (Matthew 5:44; John 13:34-35).
Their support of the world during its conflicts, and their own religious wars, drip with hypocrisy.

Matthew 7:21-23 applies. Isn’t that interesting, that Jesus prophesied it would happen?

 

[Gezellig]

No, but truth has never been a priority for the religious. Scientists collect data and think up experiments to get to the truth and (sometimes after decades) they find a consensus. Believers don't like their believes to be tested and pretend that the differing opinions don't exist.

The fact that scientists come to a consensus in this way is said to be true. As well as the fact that science explores the physical world.
Scientists use data, research results. A believer (in this case, trying to understand, and not taking everything on faith) can research (study the Bible) and refer, for example, to the results of biblical archaeology.
The Bible speaks positively about those who explore it: "People here turned out to be more open than in Thessalonica. They accepted the message with full readiness and spent whole days researching the Scriptures, checking whether Paul was speaking correctly" (Acts 17:11).

 

[Gezellig]

Why can't believers come to a consensus, as you said.
Unlike scientists, believers have a powerful opposition in the person of Satan, who does not want people to know the truth. There is only one truth.
Satan is described as "leading the whole universe astray" (Revelation 12:9).

 

[Heyo]

A believer (in this case, trying to understand, and not taking everything on faith) can research (study the Bible

... and the Edda, the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Tao, ...

 

[Heyo]

Why can't believers come to a consensus, as you said.
Unlike scientists, believers have a powerful opposition in the person of Satan, who does not want people to know the truth. There is only one truth.
Satan is described as "leading the whole universe astray" (Revelation 12:9).

Excuses and scapegoats. Believers are pretty capable of leading themselves astray, no outside influence needed.

 

[LuisDantas]

Can they all be true?

Plainly no. Not all of them.

You can and should attempt to find fields of common understanding among various beliefs, of course. But that is only possible once we accept that there is a duty to at least decide which beliefs we want to consider for the exercise.

And that is ok. It really is.

However, I will posit that true-untrue is not a very useful axis for gauging religious worth. Instead you should perhaps consider what they aim to encourage and teach, motivate and inspire.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Can they all be true?

Can something be X and not X at the same time?

 

[YoursTrue]

Plainly no. Not all of them.

You can and should attempt to find fields of common understanding among various beliefs, of course. But that is only possible once we accept that there is a duty to at least decide which beliefs we want to consider for the exercise.

And that is ok. It really is.

However, I will posit that true-untrue is not a very useful axis for gauging religious worth. Instead you should perhaps consider what they aim to encourage and teach, motivate and inspire.

There are a lot of different religions in the world. Obviously not all of them can be true. The idea is to pray to God and ask Him for help.

 

[LuisDantas]

There are a lot of different religions in the world. Obviously not all of them can be true. The idea is to pray to God and ask Him for help.

That is one idea, certainly.

Not necessarily the best one. For one thing, it isn't suitable for everyone.

 

[YoursTrue]

That is one idea, certainly.

Not necessarily the best one. For one thing, it isn't suitable for everyone.

If a person doesn't believe in God that could be a problem. But God understands and sees the heart and can reach a person.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you say so.

 

[YoursTrue]

That is one idea, certainly.

Not necessarily the best one. For one thing, it isn't suitable for everyone.

Obviously not. But for some, it is suitable.

 

[Muffled]

That is a vague, ambiguous answer!

“if I believed the war was God's will …..
If I believed the war was not God's will….”

And how would you figure that out? What determining factors?

You said you think I “reject God’s will”… what do you think God’s will is?

Do you think Christendom is doing it? For the most part, they’ve apostatized from Christ’s teachings (Matthew 5:44; John 13:34-35).
Their support of the world during its conflicts, and their own religious wars, drip with hypocrisy.

Matthew 7:21-23 applies. Isn’t that interesting, that Jesus prophesied it would happen?

I believe I know God's will when He tells me it is.

I believe at times His will is to punish evil empires.

I do not believe Christendom is presently in power but I believe JW Bush as a godly man made the right move against Iraq. But maybe you like regimes that practice genocide.

I believe that happens. The crusades started out as a righteous venture but got corrupted along the way.

 

[Muffled]

There are a lot of different religions in the world. Obviously not all of them can be true. The idea is to pray to God and ask Him for help.

I believe I had a visit from the Mormons and in parting they asked me to pray about Mormonism. I did and God told me the so called angel Moroni was actually a demon. I believe that shows you should be careful what you wish for.