Watching science and math? How worthless. Your history of your posts reflects an intentional ignorance of science.
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GoodAttention
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As this pertains to my interest, can you explain more about what you mean by "oldest" and which "region" you are talking about?
If the Hebrew scriptures have words that are connected phonetically to words in another language I believe this is important (in general, not for any specific purpose).
Since it is either coincidental, which could be true, or it is a sign of a specific relationship.
As above you say "it is generally accepted that Tamil is the oldest root language of the region", so again I seek your clarification on what is meant by this.
The specific relationship is trade. The shared root of languages is trade, which is part of the reason the Sothern Central Asia is the region of origin for languages. Note the root and evolution of trade is the basis for the adaption of Aramaic script and use in other languages including Hebrew.
The words are connect in a matter like the Aramaic written language. The Aramaic language is older and Hebrew script is derived from the Older Aramaic script. The original Paleo Hebrew/Canaanite script was discarded
Aramaic alphabet - Wikipedia
The ancient Aramaic alphabet was used to write the Aramaic languages spoken by ancient Aramean pre-Christian tribes throughout the Fertile Crescent. It was also adopted by other peoples as their own alphabet when empires and their subjects underwent linguistic Aramaization during a language shift for governing purposes — a precursor to Arabization centuries later — including among the Assyrians and Babylonians who permanently replaced their Akkadian language and its cuneiform script with Aramaic and its script, and among Jews, but not Samaritans, who adopted the Aramaic language as their vernacular and started using the Aramaic alphabet, which they call "Square Script", even for writing Hebrew, displacing the former Paleo-Hebrew alphabet. The modern Hebrew alphabet derives from the Aramaic alphabet, in contrast to the modern Samaritan alphabet, which derives from Paleo-Hebrew.
Aramaic older than Hebrew dating to the 11th century BCE.
Aramaic is thought to have first appeared among the Aramaeans about the late 11th century bce. By the 8th century bce it had become accepted by the Assyrians as a second language. The mass deportations of people by the Assyrians and the use of Aramaic as a lingua franca by Babylonian merchants served to spread the language, so that in the 7th and 6th centuries bce it gradually supplanted Akkadian as the lingua franca of the Middle East. It subsequently became the official language of the Achaemenian Persian dynasty (559–330 bce),
Simply, it is the root language for the region, nothing less and nothing more. Yes, the root language for the Indus Valley
In the Middle East the root trade languages are Sumerian, Babylonian and Aramaic from the Fertile Crescent in the West, and Canaanite/ Phoenician and Egyptian in the West.
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GoodAttention
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The specific relationship is trade. The shared root of languages is trade, which is part of the reason the Sothern Central Asis is the region of orign for languages. Note the root and evolution of trade is the basis for the adaption of Aramaic script and use in other languages including Hebrew.
The words are connect in a matter like the Aramaic written language. The Aramaic language is older and Hebrew script is derived from the Older Aramaic script. The original Paleo Hebrew/Canaanite script was discarded
Aramaic alphabet - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The ancient Aramaic alphabet was used to write the Aramaic languages spoken by ancient Aramean pre-Christian tribes throughout the Fertile Crescent. It was also adopted by other peoples as their own alphabet when empires and their subjects underwent linguistic Aramaization during a language shift for governing purposes — a precursor to Arabization centuries later — including among the Assyrians and Babylonians who permanently replaced their Akkadian language and its cuneiform script with Aramaic and its script, and among Jews, but not Samaritans, who adopted the Aramaic language as their vernacular and started using the Aramaic alphabet, which they call "Square Script", even for writing Hebrew, displacing the former Paleo-Hebrew alphabet. The modern Hebrew alphabet derives from the Aramaic alphabet, in contrast to the modern Samaritan alphabet, which derives from Paleo-Hebrew.
Aramaic older than Hebrew dating to the 11th century BCE.
Aramaic is thought to have first appeared among the Aramaeans about the late 11th century bce. By the 8th century bce it had become accepted by the Assyrians as a second language. The mass deportations of people by the Assyrians and the use of Aramaic as a lingua franca by Babylonian merchants served to spread the language, so that in the 7th and 6th centuries bce it gradually supplanted Akkadian as the lingua franca of the Middle East. It subsequently became the official language of the Achaemenian Persian dynasty (559–330 bce),
Simply, it is the root language for the region, nothing less and nothing more. Yes, the root language for the Indus Valley
I am confused as to what you are either concluding or refuting.
Are you saying there is no value in examining a Tamil-Hebrew connection using the scriptures as context?
It appears you acknowledge Tamil being the root of the Indus Valley, and also that language is spread via trade, BUT then you said you were puzzled as to why I place any significance in my translating of words between Tamil and Hebrew?
Is it because it is so obvious that I need not do it? I would love this conclusion.
servant1
Active Member
i doubt it. But your posts show you don't know your own creator= a gazillion x more sad.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Can you do anything besides preach here? I can demonstrate to an honest person that the Bible fails on multiple levels. I do not know enough of other holy books to do that, but I have heard that there are ex-Muslims that can easily do the same with the Quran and there are probably ex-Hindus that can do the same with their holy books.
How would you debate with a Hindu? He would laugh at your Bible and you would laugh at his Vedas. How would either of you show the other one to be wrong?
No, there is value in examining the relationship and connection of ALL languages. This why I compare to understand this relationship across Eurasia based on the natural evolution of language, known evidence of trade, and regional associations.
The regional root an association of the Tamil languages is India and Southeast Asia, Regional roots of the Middle East I described in the previous posts.
I am not puzzled at your translating or comparing names and words as I do between languages across Eurasia. The problem is your conclusions as to why there are similarities. I am refuting your reasons why there are similarities,
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I believe in God. Of course the many diverse conflicting religions and belief systems believe their God or Gods are the only God or Gods.
I understand you believe your belief is the only 100% true belief and everyone else is wrong. The other believer in different reliigions of course consider your belief false also, except maybe Hindus.
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Noah’s Flood has tons of evidence!
The ubiquitous Flood myths found in distant & unrelated cultures, is one.
There are many more evidences.
The Permafrost itself, and the megafauna found encased within it — within it, not at the surface — are two more.
The numerous “festivals of the dead”, many held at the same time of year by cultures unrelated & without contact with each other…
Flood Evidences — revised
Global Flood evidence: ***1.Vast herds of grazing animals, perhaps millions of them, discovered within the permafrost (called muck fields by some, due to the mud mixed in from previous melting), in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright...
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The Flood & Worldwide Festivals of the Dead — the connection.
@ChristineM , @nPeace, @Bree, @Vee I think most posters on RF, believe the Flood is myth: not based on evidence. But a few here accept the Flood as a literal, global event. Anyway, let me get to these “Festivals of the Dead”. Is there a link? I’m sure that people would consider the Global...
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RE: the Plagues…
The Ipuwer papyrus, etc.
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RE: the Exodus in general….
Dr. Titus Kennedy, archaeologist, discovered an ancient inscription (@ Soleb?) describing the “nomads of Yahweh.” A reference to the Israelites’ wilderness journey.
And in reading the Biblical account, you would not expect to find much evidence (if any): it states neither their shoes nor their clothes wore out. And their law required them to be a clean people.
These same professed Christians, kill their brothers during the world’s conflicts. They’re not obedient to Christ. Matthew 5:44; John 13:34,35; 15:12-14; 15:17; 15:19.
See 1 John 3:10-15
I wouldn’t expect you to accept this, but maybe others will.
@servant1
So, how can a person tell the difference (among Christianity)?
What’s the standard?
The ones who are obedient to Jesus, and following His & His Father’s commands (‘doing His Father’s will’): Matthew 7:21; John 15:12-14,17,19; Matthew 28:19,20;
Matthew 24:14; 1 Timothy 2:3,4
Not only has Christendom has been killing their enemies, but also their brothers - other Christians - since their inception!
See Matthew 5:44
It’s as simple as that.
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Ok.
So IF the translation are indeed more than a coincidence, then there could be a better explanation than the 4.2ky event?
Sure, I can accept that. As we know the Indus Valley traded with Mesopotamia, in the 3rd millennium.
If there is a better explanation for the meaning of Peleg and “Earth divided” other than the 4.2ky event I would love to hear it.
Coincidence!?!?!? There is no such thing as coincidences in the natural history o the earth. The 4.2 K event is best explained in the Climate Change since the last Ice Age. The migration and changes in population, and urban centers are simply in response to climate change when some regions became arid and others did not.
There does not need to be a historical explanation for Peleg and an "Earth divided" as in to the division of language/family groups at the Tower of Babel. which is a Genesis account, which does not have historical provenance as a historical account of the diversity of peoples and languages around the world from out of Africa including the Americas.
I go with the natural scientific explanation of the history of humanity over a period of millions of years and migration around the world as the explanation for the diversity of humanity.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
All of your claims have been refuted. You need new ones. Plus you don't seem to understand the definition of evidence itself. You make very poor ad hoc arguments and then ignore the refutations. So we need to go over the basics of science. As to others not being Christians because in their sects a small percentage join the military then since you use a no true Scotsman fallacy against them I guess I can use one against your sect. Are you sure that you want others to reciprocate in kind?
Nyingjé Tso
Dharma not drama
The common thing to do when we see a video on the internet, TikTok, YouTube, wherever that gives claims like this is to verify it. If it's archeology it should be easily verifiable.
Took me two minutes of googling
www.snopes.com
apnews.com
drmsh.com
phys.org
It's an old hoax even serious christian research websites don't endorse
biblearchaeologyreport.com
Took me two minutes of googling
FACT CHECK: Were Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea?
A fake news site claimed that archaeologistsdiscovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea.
False story says archaeologists unearth Exodus evidence
Archaeologists did not unearth the bones of Egyptian soldiers, weapons and chariots to prove the biblical account of the parting of the Red Sea, despite the false claims of many stories reporting otherwise.
Ron Wyatt and Those Egyptian Chariot Wheels - Dr. Michael Heiser
I’ve complained before about the poor quality of Ron Wyatt’s “research” (loosely defined) before. While he may have been well-intentioned (his aim was to defend the Bible’s content), there is …
drmsh.com
False story says archaeologists unearth Exodus evidence
Archaeologists did not unearth the bones of Egyptian soldiers, weapons and chariots to prove the biblical account of the parting of the Red Sea, despite the false claims of many stories reporting otherwise.
It's an old hoax even serious christian research websites don't endorse
Fake News In Biblical Archaeology
 In a world of fake news and internet hoaxes it’s important to carefully check your sources before you inadvertently spread misinformation. The world of archaeology is no exception to sensationali…
biblearchaeologyreport.com
Audie
Veteran Member
The sorriest naïf should have been able to see the con.The common thing to do when we see a video on the internet, TikTok, YouTube, wherever that gives claims like this is to verify it. If it's archeology it should be easily verifiable.
Took me two minutes of googling
FACT CHECK: Were Chariot Wheels Found at the Bottom of the Red Sea?
A fake news site claimed that archaeologistsdiscovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea.
False story says archaeologists unearth Exodus evidence
Archaeologists did not unearth the bones of Egyptian soldiers, weapons and chariots to prove the biblical account of the parting of the Red Sea, despite the false claims of many stories reporting otherwise.
Ron Wyatt and Those Egyptian Chariot Wheels - Dr. Michael Heiser
I’ve complained before about the poor quality of Ron Wyatt’s “research” (loosely defined) before. While he may have been well-intentioned (his aim was to defend the Bible’s content), there is …
False story says archaeologists unearth Exodus evidence
Archaeologists did not unearth the bones of Egyptian soldiers, weapons and chariots to prove the biblical account of the parting of the Red Sea, despite the false claims of many stories reporting otherwise.
It's an old hoax even serious christian research websites don't endorse
Fake News In Biblical Archaeology
 In a world of fake news and internet hoaxes it’s important to carefully check your sources before you inadvertently spread misinformation. The world of archaeology is no exception to sensationali…
But being so easy to fool is what got some into
their religion in the first place.
GoodAttention
Well-Known Member
Once again I am confused at your statements. You said -
(1) Tamil is the root of the Indus Valley - by this I interpret you agree that this could date this language up to 3000BCE
(2) Language is spread by trade - You did not deny evidence that suggests the Mesopotamian civilizations such as Sumer traded with the Indus Valley Civilization
(3) Semitic languages have root in Sumerian.
Adding on to the evidence which also suggests the IVC traded with Egypt and now we basically get a picture that the Tamil was basically everywhere.
If you disagree with my translations show me where they fail? I challenge you to do so.
Now the 4.2ky event is a SPECIFIC point in time. Making a general statement that it was just a part of climate change and migrations minimizes completely the significance of why scientists choose this time period.
Note it is DEFINED by when it happened, and whilst it is part of a period change in climate as you say, it is nevertheless significant in history. Have you considered the history of the Repeller of the Amorites wall?
I also never said Peleg was related somehow to the Tower of Babel, I specifically said he lived “when the Earth was divided”. In fact this “division” is during his lifetime which is just under 300 years.
This correlates very closely to -
(a) When the 4.2ky event starts and there is an acute drop in the population of the Fertile Northern Crescent
(b) When this population starts to recover 200-300 years later.
servant1
Active Member
Its your reasoning that fails on many levels, not the bible.
servant1
Active Member
Yes the world is blind. lead by blind guides. Its why Jesus said--FEW will find the road that leads off into life.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, the Bible fails again and again and again. If God gave you a mind you should be able to use it. You seem to be rejecting the gifts that you claim that God gave you. Your beliefs are inconsistent.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Now it sounds as if you are saying that Jesus was incompetent and immoral. Why would you make such a claim?