Really, all you need is to consider the contradictions of your claim.
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Mao Tse-Tung and Pol Pot killed in the name of atheism
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Please point out the contradictions.
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Do you have a source to substantiate these numbers you're using?
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
It is one outcome of dictatorships period. Atheism is not the cause, but dictatorial power
The most obvious is that atheism is not a cause, has no motivational value.
Milton Platt
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You are correct, I never lived there
And I am certainly open to evidence that your pastor was subject to persecution of some sort becsuse he was religious. However, he was granted a visa to be in the country, so it hardly makes sense that he was not welcome as a person. There is plenty of documentation from widely varying sources to verify Kahn’s existence. We only have your pastor’s account to go on in this instance. If his reported experiences ever reach half the level of evidential support that the existence of Kahn does, I will be the first to side with you. Let me know when that happens.
Until then, I maintain that it was his actions that csused his situation and not the fact that he believes in a god.
As to the fact that he was a pastor should make him above reproach, you have only to take a look at the past antics of preachers to know that just doesn’t hold any water. You may as well have told me I should trust him because he had a moustache
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Maybe some of them, but there are many anti-theists or anti-religions fanatics out there, being discussed here.
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Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
I am confused.... The original post was about atheism, why are we now bringing up anti-theism? And what is an “anti-religion”?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
There is no standardization of Atheism, there are as many kinds of Atheism people as their numbers, so if some of them are peaceful, then there are others who are full of hatred, one can't deny and shut one's eye from them.
The same is in religions, all the revealed religions as their founders gave teachings were peaceful and promoted peace whole their lives but yes, people did kill humanity in the name of God while God did not want them to be killed for nothing, just for conversions. If God would have wanted, he could have killed them himself.
No confusions, please.
Well, that is my understanding, others are open to differ with me with their reasons and arguments if any or without.
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Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Yes, but you specifically mentioned atheism in the post, but then switched to anti-theism. They are not the same thing. There are many theists who are anti-theists with respect to all but their own bersion of a god.
I acknowledge that atheists can also be antitheists, but not all atheists are. Your OP should reflect that difference and not confuse the catagories.
That is so wrong, do you want the list (again*) of wars when either one side or both were fighting in the name of their religion?... The death count exceeds 800 million. Sure you want to go there or will you retract you untrue statement?
* i have provided you with the list on another forum, it seems you ignore it for some untold reason.
No he doesn't and he knows his claim in incorrect.
Bob the Unbeliever
Well-Known Member
While I disagree with the 'other posters', at least they actually make an attempt to argue their case rather than naively thinking that forcefully claiming they are right constitutes a 'schooling'.
I find their reasoning flawed (as they do mine), but at least we actually use reasoning and argumentation. You generally don't even make arguments, just claims.
That puts them significantly above your level. Perhaps they could 'school' you also
Unless you want to 'systematically destroy my post' by answering this simple question that is fundamental to your claim, I'm not going to waste any more time in this non-discussion:
Can you explain the mechanism by which someone using a normal word, with a normal meaning, in a normal context, in a way most people can understand can be considered objectively 'wrong'?
I'm guessing the answer is "no, but I'm going to deflect from that with a bit of random babbling so my ego can claim I schooled him". Maybe you could prove me wrong on this though, we all live in hope...
More $64 wordage. More not-claims, not-argument, just whining from you.
Yes--- I used arguments which eviscerated your silly claims-- but you ignored them to 100%.
How.... convenient.
This explains why you think there were no actual arguments: Cognitive Dissonance on your part, I suppose-- you are so full of yourself, you don't even see arguments that wreck your worldview.
Ain't you a cute one? No, not really.
As for the part I put in bold: Yes. I explained that in my first correction the first time yo were WRONG. And again. And again. And again....
You used (and continue to use) the theistic meaning of the word "atheist". The one used by theists-- even though you pretend to not be a theist, you demonstrate the mindset of theists, over and over and over. Especially with your self-important hubristic attitude to anyone who dares call you on your many, many mistakes.
Hey! Did you know there are multiple meanings for most words in English?
OOOPS! I explained that to you, multiple times-- ALL OF WHICH YOU IGNORED.
Most atheists well understand the word "atheist" has zip-all to do with BELIEF or FAITH--- apart from not having any, that is.
Here's a list your iron-clad brain won't let you actually read:
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Bald is a Hair Color.
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Not Collection Stamps is a Hobby.
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Not Playing Tennis is a Sports
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Vacuum is an Atmosphere
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then a Hole is an Object
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Abstinence is a sexual activity.
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Silence is a Noise
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then An Empty Bowl is a Meal
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Not Speaking is a Speech
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Sitting Quietly is a Violent Protest
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Nudity is a Costume
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Not watching boxing matches makes you a fan of archery
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then War is Peace
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Love is Hate
If Atheism is Belief/Faith/Religion, then Lies are Truth
Except the definition
Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Anything else is just religious gossip spouted by those who know no better
Augustus
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That was my point.
When a word has multiple meanings none of them are 'wrong' (even if you find one more convenient for ideological reasons).
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Yes, there is nothing as such in the definition of the word Atheism, but the humans when join an ideology, their own evil in the self could display and there is no check to restrain it with the Atheism or with the Atheism people having no system with them. Please
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Sorry, Paarsurrey, but I must be clear here.
Atheism is indeed lacking in motivational value. Any. It is a serious mistake to think otherwise, and one that can only lead to serious confusion and further mistakes.
Anti-theism, which I profess myself, has many flavors, mainly because it is not very well defined. It seems to me that for the most part it is a reaction to perceived excess, though.
As for anti-religion, well, it seems to me that it is mainly an attribute of theism, certainly not of atheism.
It still surprises me that some people talk of crimes "in the name of atheism". That is so disconnected a statement that I can only wonder about its honesty.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Yes,It is. But, what is the remedy of Atheism people if a large group adhering to this ideology decide to let their emotions display their evil designs against other human beings who do not subscribe to this ideology? Please
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
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This is a rather strange hypothetical. What does a Christian do when evil Christians act this way? What do Muslims do when evil Muslims act this way? You are trying to make a people problem into a religious one.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I am an Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim. If somebody from our community does any fanatic event of harming and killing other persons, just for adhering to some other religion or no-religion, I believe, our Caliph will condemn him and expel him from our community .
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