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Marijuana vs. Cigarettes: Why Is One Illegal and Other Isn't?

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
doppelgänger;1190233 said:
So do I. They are pandering to a loud and aggressive part of their constituency who has never tried it, and in the process helping perpetuate all kinds of irrational fear about MJ

There is irrational fear about my wife!? :eek: :D

As to the OP, yes, it makes no sense, although I'd say that it would be better to compare weed to alcohol in this context, instead of cigarettes. Alcohol can be worse for you, and generally affects people more mentally, and yet that's perfectly legal. There really is no good reason for marijuana to be illegal. Personally, I don't care, as I wouldn't have any interest in using it anyway, but it just doesn't make sense.
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
There is irrational fear about my wife!? :eek: :D
Those are my daughter's initials, too.

Personally, I don't care, as I wouldn't have any interest in using it anyway, but it just doesn't make sense.
When you add up all the costs, the law enforcement costs, the costs of all the imprisonment, the costs of having it go underground and empower more of a criminal element, it's likely costs to society were its use legal and common pale by comparison to what we are already paying trying to keep it illegal.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
doppelgänger;1190458 said:
Those are my daughter's initials, too.

Out of curiosity, do you call her "MJ"? I do call my wife that.

When you add up all the costs, the law enforcement costs, the costs of all the imprisonment, the costs of having it go underground and empower more of a criminal element, it's likely costs to society were its use legal and common pale by comparison to what we are already paying trying to keep it illegal.

Agreed.
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
Freedom should mean the right to put and do anything you want to your own body - so long as you're not harming someone else. Works fine with cigarettes and alcohol, among many other legal things that are "bad" for us.

Look what happened with prohibition of alcohol. The politicians tried to save the rest of us from the evils of THEIR temptations. And alcohol is the perfect example of how age minimums and resitrctions back fire. Most countries in the world have no age limit on alcohol. This results in social tolerance for it and kids learn to drink responsibly, from younger ages. Instead, we have in America binge drinking and stupid parties.

Legalize Marijuana. Legalize all drugs. Even if we don't agree with whether the usage is good for the individual, in a free country, we should have the right to ingest and consume any product we want. Doing so would only bring these drugs out of the black market and into the taxable government goods that will keep the money out of gangs and cartels.
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
Any parents want to respond to my next question:

As parents, do you really believe that legalizing marijuana, or any currently illegal drugs, for that matter, will somehow encourage your kids to start consuming them "just to try it out" per popular argument against legalization?

Granted it will have age limits - but is it not the job of a parent to ultimately help the child (whether 8 or 18 or 28) make the decision and build the character?
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Any parents want to respond to my next question:

As parents, do you really believe that legalizing marijuana, or any currently illegal drugs, for that matter, will somehow encourage your kids to start consuming them "just to try it out" per popular argument against legalization?
No, I don't. In fact, the only problem I have with marijuana is that it's illegal. I've never used it myself, for exactly that reason. It's just not worth the risks.

Granted it will have age limits - but is it not the job of a parent to ultimately help the child (whether 8 or 18 or 28) make the decision and build the character?
Yeppers.
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
:cigar: Uh she coughs uh, once again she coughs. I agree there is no reason why marijuana should not be legalized. It is available in a pill for people who need the medicinal effect, but they can't smoke it. Go figure........Actually I smoke neither but I think that it is up to an individual.:cover:

Charity
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
doppelgänger;1190594 said:
Yes, that's one of many nicknames I use with her.

Cool. *starts spraying S's in very whiny voice* I actually call my wife that because of Spider-Man's MJ, or Mary Jane, whom, rumor has it, Stan Lee named after marijuana. *end geekiness* See how it all comes together? :D
 

Zaphod Beeblebrox

Zarking Fardwarks!
I believe Cigarettes are heading towards being illegal too. It's gradually being pushed out of mainstream society as an evil. In New Zealand it's gradually becoming less and less accepted. You can bet your bottom dollar that it will be made illegal some time in the near future. So I think anyone trying to get marijuana legalised is banging their head against a brick wall.
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
Making cigarettes illegal isn't really a favorable option in my opinion. Although it serves the argument well, making something that's sought after that people are addicted to illegal will only send it to the black markets where more money will flow through gangs and organized crime.

That's why we should legalize as many things as we can - even if they are potentially more harmful than marijuana. I would go so far as to say legalize marijuana and all other drugs .... even crack, cocaine, heroine, extacy, etc. Let's face it "war on drug" is going about as well as the "war on terror." We're spending billions on "war on drugs" - yet I can drive 15 minutes from almost any location and get access to all the aforementioned drugs if I so chose.

Legalizing even all the drugs will stop majority of the gang conflicts and resulting civilian casualties by taking away the major incentive that gangs rival for - turf wars. Make the drugs cheaper than black market prices so those that willeventually use it will kill themselves off and demand for black market of drugs will cease. Taxes can be collected and used to fund recovery programs, drug education/ awareness programs to children/teens.

Granted there is the argument that legalizing all the bad drugs will make our children into druggies and everyone will be hooked. Use yourself as example. If you use it, you use it regardless of if it's legal or illegal. If you do not use it, you won't use it even if it is legal. It's a personal choice, period. There are more positives to be gained by legalizing all drugs. By doing so, we'll let those that will use it regardless to use their drugs and die off if they choose - and in their course of action, will cause less harm to society as the money from their drug purchase no longer will fund gangs but instead will go towards recovery programs and education programs.

THAT'S FREEDOM. Not only that, it's Dawrinism.
 

Zaphod Beeblebrox

Zarking Fardwarks!
Unfortunately governments tend to do what they want to do. If they think something should be outlawed, they'll do it without much thought of consequences. Likewise if they want something legalised, they will do it without thought of consequences. People like yourself Neo-Logic , who think logically, are not likely to get into power and decide what will be law and what won't. lol.
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
Unfortunately governments tend to do what they want to do. If they think something should be outlawed, they'll do it without much thought of consequences. Likewise if they want something legalised, they will do it without thought of consequences. People like yourself Neo-Logic , who think logically, are not likely to get into power and decide what will be law and what won't. lol.

Well I'll finish law school soon enough and will start working, perhaps publically, so we just might :D

And I believe that statement is a bit off. You seperate the government and the people when in fact, the government is of the people and for the interest of the people.

I believe it's not the government's fault entirely. Those that care aren't in a position to make the big changes and those that are do not care.
 

Zaphod Beeblebrox

Zarking Fardwarks!
And I believe that statement is a bit off. You seperate the government and the people when in fact, the government is of the people and for the interest of the people.
That is the claim, but where I come from the government is more for their own agenda than what the people want. Just recently the government made smacking illegal even though the majority of the country was against it. They won't even put forward a referendum on it.

We have MMP down here (Mixed member proportion... or something like that), which means minor parties can get seats in parliament. This means you have extremist groups getting to dictate to the major parties if they want their support. I'm amazed at how much sway these minor parties have yet only around 5% of the country voted for them. The party whose agenda was to make smacking illegal got about 7% of votes in the last election and agreed to form an alliance with one of the main partys so that that party could win the election (as long as they went along with some of their proposals). The voice of the majority was ignored to allow for this extremist party's agenda.

Maybe things are different in the US, but I don't see much in the way of "government for the interest of the people" down here. Perhaps I'm just way to cynical, but when the government blatently go against what the majority wants, it seems like damning evidence.
 

Neo-Logic

Reality Checker
We have MMP down here (Mixed member proportion... or something like that), which means minor parties can get seats in parliament. This means you have extremist groups getting to dictate to the major parties if they want their support. I'm amazed at how much sway these minor parties have yet only around 5% of the country voted for them. The party whose agenda was to make smacking illegal got about 7% of votes in the last election and agreed to form an alliance with the main governing party as long as they went along with some of their proposals. The voice of the majority was ignored to allow for this extremist party's agenda..

I didn't realize you weren't in America. We fought a civil war over the topic you speak of - majority rule. Although a lot of "deal making" still goes on. You should read our Bill of Rights. It's very interesting. Speaking of rights ... I just read the New Zealand Bill Of Rights Act and it doesn't include freedom to bear arms ... what gives?? No GUNS?? How will you overthrow the government?

 

Zaphod Beeblebrox

Zarking Fardwarks!
I didn't realize you weren't in America. We fought a civil war over the topic you speak of - majority rule. Although a lot of "deal making" still goes on. You should read our Bill of Rights. It's very interesting. Speaking of rights ... I just read the New Zealand Bill Of Rights Act and it doesn't include freedom to bear arms ... what gives?? No GUNS?? How will you overthrow the government?
Yep, no right to bear arms. Although we can have guns for hunting, but they have to be licensed. It does mean we have very few problems when it comes to guns.

Speaking of over throwing the government, just recently there was a group found down south who had been doing military training. There's still no word on whether it was a terrorist group though. It got mopped up pretty quickly though.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
i dont think burning anything and inhaling the fumes is healthy ,
You don't have to actually smoke it though.

What I think will eventually happen, is marijuana will eventually be legalized just so the government has a new tax revenue.

That's why we should legalize as many things as we can - even if they are potentially more harmful than marijuana. I would go so far as to say legalize marijuana and all other drugs .... even crack, cocaine, heroine, extacy, etc. Let's face it "war on drug" is going about as well as the "war on terror." We're spending billions on "war on drugs" - yet I can drive 15 minutes from almost any location and get access to all the aforementioned drugs if I so chose.
Many drugs, especially meth, should remain illegal for a reason. Some things are illegal for a very good reason.

I believe Cigarettes are heading towards being illegal too. It's gradually being pushed out of mainstream society as an evil. In New Zealand it's gradually becoming less and less accepted. You can bet your bottom dollar that it will be made illegal some time in the near future.
I forget where, some state in California maybe, but a municipal government tried to pass a complete smoking ban. I do think not too many will actually miss smoking if it is made illegal.
 

Smoke

Done here.
Granted it will have age limits - but is it not the job of a parent to ultimately help the child (whether 8 or 18 or 28) make the decision and build the character?
At 18 or 28 it is not the parent's job to tell his children what they may and may not do.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
I think hamburgers should be illegal. They give me some mean heart burn and it's contributing to my belly fat; hence my health.

I wonder which one would kill me faster if I smoked pot?
 

3.14

Well-Known Member
I think hamburgers should be illegal. They give me some mean heart burn and it's contributing to my belly fat; hence my health.

I wonder which one would kill me faster if I smoked pot?

hamburgers, just watch supersize me
there are guys that lived up to 107 year old on pot

here in the netherlands it is legalized and it is liked, but the netherlands is still a great country to live in because of selfrestraint
 
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