Marriage Equality Is a Theological Necessity

[Green Gaia]

Serene Jones: Marriage Equality Is a Theological Necessity

Marriage equality and religious freedom are not in conflict. When states grant the civil rights of marriage to gay couples, religious communities still maintain their right to recognize whichever relationships they see fit as a religious community. We believe that debates about the meaning of Christian marriage can only take place honestly when the state provides equality and fairness for all. This is all the more true because there is no one Christian position about marriage: many different interpretations exist within our traditions, and it is a challenging task within Christian communities to discern our way forward despite theological differences. While we welcome theological discussion about the religious understanding of marriage, we insist on full, equal civil rights for all couples who wish to share their lives in committed and loving relationships with one another.

Exactly. :clap

 

[Dunemeister]

Serene Jones: Marriage Equality Is a Theological Necessity

Exactly. :clap

I'd say we should get the state out of the marriage business altogether.

 

[Green Gaia]

I'd say we should get the state out of the marriage business altogether.

I don't see that happening.

 

[Dunemeister]

I don't see that happening.

It will happen soon, perhaps, in Canada. Up here we've gotten ourselves into a royal mess about polygamy. Instead of charging some Mormon fundamentalists with rape and whatnot, we've charged them with polygamy. The defendants are rightly going to argue that polygamy is a matter of religious devotion for them, so it is protected by our charter. This impending victory will mean that the Canadian state will have to revisit how it handles such things as marriage. One of the options will be to opt out the marriage business. We'll see.

 

[Smoke]

I'd say we should get the state out of the marriage business altogether.

It would make more sense to get the church out of the marriage business. Allowing churches to serve as agents of the state in solemnizing marriages is what's given them the false impression that they own the institution. Let's have legal marriage and religious marriage; the churches can marry whom they like, but without legal effect.

 

[monta]

It would make more sense to get the church out of the marriage business. Allowing churches to serve as agents of the state in solemnizing marriages is what's given them the false impression that they own the institution. Let's have legal marriage and religious marriage; the churches can marry whom they like, but without legal effect.

Agreed it is archaic nonsense, I honestly believe most of the people who get church sanctioned weddings are doing it for the venue and have no interest in the church or what it stands for.

 

[JMorris]

It would make more sense to get the church out of the marriage business. Allowing churches to serve as agents of the state in solemnizing marriages is what's given them the false impression that they own the institution. Let's have legal marriage and religious marriage; the churches can marry whom they like, but without legal effect.

i dont know if ive ever seen anything more obvious in my whole life. perfect post:bow:

 

[Heneni]

The goverment of god, must not be confused with the goverment of men. What the goverment of god says is OK, is not what the goverment of men say is ok. There is only one legitimate goverment and that is the goverment of god. Cannot mix gods morals with the worlds morals. The goverments of the world might very well decide that homosexual marriages are lawful. Does gods goverment have to agree? Since the goverment of men are temporary it is important to life your life based on the laws and morals of the goverment of god. Because god makes rulers fall, and rises up others. But his goverment will never fail, and shall remain for ever. What if one day you find yourself in the goverment of god? What will you do when you are in violation of his precepts? Do you stand a chance against the judge of the world? All men will have to give an account of their lives. When this world fades away and the skies are rolled up like a garment, there is only one goverment left. You dont want to be on the wrong side of the law then.

Heneni

 

[Azakel]

Get over yourself. Your god has no law over us so keep it to yourself and leave you god out of are laws and are lives.

 

[Heneni]

Get over yourself. Your god has no law over us so keep it to yourself and leave you god out of are laws and are lives.

Well that is my point exactly. The goverments of the world dont feel like god has to get involved in their laws. OK....but what if all countries and goverments topple over and there is only one goverment left. The goverment of god. Whats your options then?

PS: You seem a little angry.....hope all is well. God wont interfere with your life, until there is nowhere else to run. Then its you and God, and HIS goverment. Are you going to tell him to butt out of his own goverment? GUTSY! Very bold. But perhaps slighty presumptious.

Heneni

 

[Smoke]

PS: You seem a little angry.....hope all is well. God wont interfere with your life, until there is nowhere else to run. Then its you and God, and HIS goverment. Are you going to tell him to butt out of his own goverment? GUTSY! Very bold. But perhaps slighty presumptious.

Yes, Azakel!

Fear Heneni's imaginary friend!

 

[Azakel]

Well that is my point exactly. The goverments of the world dont feel like god has to get involved in their laws. OK....but what if all countries and goverments topple over and there is only one goverment left. The goverment of god. Whats your options then?

PS: You seem a little angry.....hope all is well. God wont interfere with your life, until there is nowhere else to run. Then its you and God, and HIS goverment. Are you going to tell him to butt out of his own goverment? GUTSY! Very bold. But perhaps slighty presumptious.

Heneni

And what they feel is right. There are many Countries that will have nothing to do with your god that have done just fine for themselves for a long time. Japan comes to mine, nothing to do with your god, doing just fine.

Yes, Azakel!

Fear Heneni's imaginary friend!

lol, yeah I am so with fear that I could get through a part in my game I was playing lol.

 

[fantome profane]

The goverment of god, must not be confused with the goverment of men. What the goverment of god says is OK, is not what the goverment of men say is ok. There is only one legitimate goverment and that is the goverment of god. Cannot mix gods morals with the worlds morals. The goverments of the world might very well decide that homosexual marriages are lawful. Does gods goverment have to agree? Since the goverment of men are temporary it is important to life your life based on the laws and morals of the goverment of god. Because god makes rulers fall, and rises up others. But his goverment will never fail, and shall remain for ever. What if one day you find yourself in the goverment of god? What will you do when you are in violation of his precepts? Do you stand a chance against the judge of the world? All men will have to give an account of their lives. When this world fades away and the skies are rolled up like a garment, there is only one goverment left. You dont want to be on the wrong side of the law then.

Heneni

This is absolutely fine with me. “God” can have whatever laws he or she wishes and enforce those laws any he or she chooses. But the laws of my government (“the government of men”) must be based on fairness and equality. The laws of my government cannot discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, religion or gender.


I know that some people strongly believe that “God” discriminates on the basis of gender, just as some people strongly believe that “God” discriminates on the basis or race. But the law of my government cannot do this. And this is why I think the laws of my government are a higher law than the laws of these peoples “God”.

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

I think Dunemeister is correct, however. What do with the polygamy question? I wonder how many people on RF favor changing the definition of marriage as a union between ____ persons.

 

[Watchmen]

Serene Jones: Marriage Equality Is a Theological Necessity

Exactly. :clap

It goes beyond this, however.

 

[Smoke]

I think Dunemeister is correct, however. What do with the polygamy question? I wonder how many people on RF favor changing the definition of marriage as a union between ____ persons.

I don't see why it should matter to anybody but the people involved, especially if we're talking about a religious rite without legal effect. And frankly, unless the polygamists in Canada have legally registered their polygamous marriages, I don't see how they can be convicted for polygamy as such. If minors are involved, that's probably a different matter.

 

[darkendless]

The goverment of god, must not be confused with the goverment of men. What the goverment of god says is OK, is not what the goverment of men say is ok. There is only one legitimate goverment and that is the goverment of god. Cannot mix gods morals with the worlds morals. The goverments of the world might very well decide that homosexual marriages are lawful. Does gods goverment have to agree? Since the goverment of men are temporary it is important to life your life based on the laws and morals of the goverment of god. Because god makes rulers fall, and rises up others. But his goverment will never fail, and shall remain for ever. What if one day you find yourself in the goverment of god? What will you do when you are in violation of his precepts? Do you stand a chance against the judge of the world? All men will have to give an account of their lives. When this world fades away and the skies are rolled up like a garment, there is only one goverment left. You dont want to be on the wrong side of the law then.

Heneni

This is truelly frightening.

Do you care about equality or are you just a pawn to your "God?" Do you care about other people? Do you care that your opinion can and will hurt them?

How can you justify your intolerance? With God? God is not an excuse for everything, i think you need to learn that.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

God gave us free will. Free will to love who we like, free will to do what we want. God gave us a decision to worship him or burn in hell. If we don't want to worship him we have been given the free will NOT to do so.

Let god govern the after life. Let man govern the world.

-Q

 

[Green Gaia]

It goes beyond this, however.

How so?

 

[Jordan St. Francis]

I don't see why it should matter to anybody but the people involved, especially if we're talking about a religious rite without legal effect

True, but what about those who would seek one with legal effect?