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Mathematical question to religious folk

Infinitum

Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
Um... your math doesn't make much sense. Try X is the unknown, Y is the universe. What do does Y have to be for X to be God?
 
Infinitum

Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
YouOnlyScienceOnce said:
What?... You think the universe is sacred because why?
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To understand sanctity you have to first understand it's subjective. Among other things something being sacred means it's viewed as something special, often spiritually valuable. Sacred things are worthy of reverence and awe. For me the simple existence of the universe as we know it is a wonder worth our appreciation. The laws of nature could be different, and then none of us would ever have been here.
 
YouOnlyScienceOnce

YouOnlyScienceOnce

Member
So because the laws of nature exist it has to be a god? That is such a weird way of jumping to conclusions. "i dont understand this... it must be a god but i cant proof that"
 
mycorrhiza

mycorrhiza

Well-Known Member
YouOnlyScienceOnce said:
So because the laws of nature exist it has to be a god? That is such a weird way of jumping to conclusions. "i dont understand this... it must be a god but i cant proof that"
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Nature fills the same space as God fills for theists, therefore Nature is God. There is nothing supernatural about it. It's based on reverence, awe, love and respect.
 
fallingblood

fallingblood

Agnostic Theist
The answer is because. A mathematical equation isn't going to challenge a persons faith, unless the faith they had was weak.

Theists also aren't (for the most part) try to prove to you that God exists, it simply can't be done. You believe of you don't.
 
Krishna Chaitanya

Krishna Chaitanya

krishnadas
YouOnlyScienceOnce said:
I just don't get how religious people get the idea that a god without evidence is the explanation of the universe.
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So because the laws of nature exist it has to be a god? That is such a weird way of jumping to conclusions. "i dont understand this... it must be a god but i cant proof that"
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Looks like your arguments are based on preconceived notions that might have been formed due to encounter with religious people of some kind. It is infact NOT TRUE that spiritualists put blind faith. Any bonafide spiritual process can be tested for its efficacy in the framework of a sincere practitioner to yield desired results of purification and elevation of consciousness as mentioned in the scriptures. And its NOT IMAGINATION as you find reciprocation from the other side as mentioned in the scriptures though it is not materially comprehensible from the grounds of materialistic science.

Further, addressing the concern about nature and the laws: 'If I say that its my nature to be rational, then it is to be understood that I AM THE POSSESSOR OF SUCH A NATURE'. Similarly, the nature and the laws exists, so "WHOSE NATURE IS IT" - I would say it is God's and someone else might say it is has origins in relativity and quantum mechanics, but then where do those laws originate?

At best, when you try to go to the grassroots in the level of analysis about nature and its laws, you end up in the most famous unresolved question in cosmology, namely - The Origin of universe.

Though there are theories that boil down ultimately to Inflation theory or super string theory or something else, NONE OF THOSE ANSWER THE ACTUAL QUESTION of HOW EVERYTHING BEGAN? All such theories are based on ASSUMPTIONS AND LAWS (be it QM or anything else for that matter) and all such assumptions and laws are taken to be granted to exist at the time of creation/expansion. Hence, this taken-for-granted magical small thing called "SINGULARITY" (consisting of fields/energies, laws, and a chunk of matter) is shown to evolve into the universe in its current state.

But, the question of THE NATURE OF SUCH A SINGULARITY AND ITS ORIGIN IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF SCIENCE as it questions the FUNDAMENTAL ASSUMPTIONS that are central to postulation of such theories of how those laws, fields, matter exist in the first place.

Because, if one keeps on examining it to a point and claim that Everything came from Nothing , that's the most absurd thing any rational person could ever come across. Instead it would be more convincing scientifically to accept a non-material cause (call it GOD or abc or xyz) that it beyond the scope of definition of materialistic science.

Clearly, when you neither have experience (or) logical validation of how anything can come from nothing, how can a sensible scientist claim that everything came from nothing? This is where mainstream science ditches truth in the name of unravelling its mystery, thus exposing the faults of materialism made (kind-of) inherent to it by biased conception of some.

If you read the formulation history of theories on parallel universes, you can obviously see how clearly the evidence points to a transcendental/super-natural reality of origin and is "suppressed" just to attribute the creation a material cause by concocting the existence of several "parallel" universes though it is practically as well as theoretically beyond the scope of observation/inference of science as the other would be. After all, one doesn't have to spend much resource to propose the existence of one more universe (as there is no element of verification possible). So, if the evident God appears like a fairy tale to some, these so-called scientific myths appear to be a fairy tale to the rest.

In essence, IMHO some so-called scientists restrict the bounds of science to materialism so as to promote their biased idea rather then exploring the truth in an unbiased manner.

If you need more information, refer to: Do scientific theories like the inflationary theory explain the origin of the universe? | The Spiritual Scientist

Hope it helps!

Thanks,
Chaitanya
 
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