May I repeat "Om artha artha artha"?

[agorman]

May I repeat "Om artha artha artha" for wealth just like people repeats the popular "Om shanti shanti shanti"?

I'm currently trying to be a personalist Vaishnava again and I wonder if within this path that mantra would be helpful or if it would have any colateral/ill effects. I know; there are other alternatives e.g. invoking Lakshmi, but I'm just curious. I tried it today for a while and it gave me energy and improved my mood, although I don't dare to keep repeating it very much yet!

Thank you and namaste.

 

[Sumit]

May I repeat "Om artha artha artha"

Never heard about this mantra. However you can try one of these two mantras-

1)Om, sthiraya mahayogadaa shrim shrim khlim asthlaxmya namah.

2)Om, namah laxhmi kili-kili hili-hili swaha.

I suggest you to chant second as first mantra is somewhat complex for you.

 

[Vinayaka]

Anybody can repeat whatever they want, but whether or not it will have any intended effect is another matter altogether. Firstly, there has to be full conscious intent within any mantra, not just words, but feeling, and an inner sense as well. and secondly, God may choose to not answer your prayers.

We don't have rules per se.

For me personally I wouldn't repeat such a 'mantra'. Not that wealth is wrong or anything, but getting it via a mantra seems dubious at best. I would prefer a more balanced approach like repeating, "All my needs will always be met." as an affirmation. But go ahead. See what happens - if anything.

 

[agorman]

Thanks Vinayaka, but I have already repeated with a limited success Saint Germain style affirmations of the Orange Ray such as "I am wealth" or "I am supply", but now I feel Krishna frowns on me if I meditate with such affirmations. How can I explain it to you? It's actually a long story, but meditating with such affirmations for some reason causes the Hindu deities to guide me back to Buddhism and sometimes in a bad way. I know, it's just my UPG, but I have to use mantras now; no affirmations.

Maybe I'll just do what Sumit suggests (thank you) and recourse to Lakshmi mantras if I don't get more information about the "artha" mantra I probably invented.

Maybe concentrating so much on wealth makes me look as a greedy person to you, but what can I tell? I'd like to earn a good living as a music composer, but it's getting tougher by the day. :faint:

 

[Vinayaka]

Ganesha also deals with wealth, and He's relatively easy to contact. You could try praying to Him also. I have absolutely no idea what Saint Germain, an Orange Ray, or UPG are. I'm a Hindu.

Ganesha has a red shakti, which is business matters, or successfully dealing with business. And yes, I seriously doubt such a mantra exists in traditional Hinduism. Certainly I've never heard of it, but my knowledge is limited. Did you try googling it?

 

[Gaura Priya]

Although a good Vaishnava tries to go beyond artha, kama, dharma and moksha to aim at the fifth goal of life - bhakti, I think that it's okay to pray to Lakshmi-Narayana for wealth, or even Radha-Krishna.

Just pray, "O Krishna, please satisfy all of my material needs." And I am sure He wouldn't mind. But like some people say, He may have a different path for you!

Hari Bol!

 

[agorman]

Vinayaka, thank you! I had forgotten about Ganesh and his relationship with wealth. Maybe because I had meditated in the past with his mantras for prosperity and I gained absolutely nothing. Maybe this time I'll stay in Hinduism for good and He'll help me.

Orange divine light is related to divine supply. e.g. if I repeat a lot "I am supply" or "I am wealth", I see orange light with my eyes closed. It's the only clairvoyance I've got so far.

Saint Germain is an ascended master (a realized soul) that manages the violet ray. That means violet light or fire. Very strong stuff. Saint Germain metaphysics is sometimes equated to New Age spirituality, which has many Advaita Vedanta concepts in it.

I think that "light" is the same Hindu shakti; the origin of all energies. I have also seen colored lights sometimes while meditating with Hindu mantras. Especially with Om Dum Durgaye Namaha.

UPG stands for "Unverified Personal Gnosis". For example, meditating with the Harinama, in the second round I have sometimes fallen into a trance and I've seen Krishna with the face of Jesus. He appeared like that either because he really has the same face as Jesus or because he wanted me to know He's the same God. But I can't prove to you that I saw Him. So that's one "UPG" of mine.

I googled for that mantra, yes, but I didn't find it. Strange, because "artha" seems a very common sanskrit word.

Gaura Priya, I think the key is living a balanced life. If you're rich and healthy but you're materialistic and you feel you're nothing but a biological robot, then what's the point of being rich? You'd just get distracted with entertainments for not falling into the anguish of believing that we are nothing but a bunch of material components with expiry date.

On the other hand, if you are so poor that you live on the streets and you can't even pay the rent with an apt. with a room to meditate in... then I think that's ridiculous! That's why the goal of artha is good. Of course artha is temporary and someday after we die we'll hopefully go to live with Krishna in Goloka Vrindavan, but in the meantime, why suffering misery? If we can't even be open to enjoy the limited pleasures of material life while we are here, then how can we be open to live in an unlimited paradise, forever?

Let's dedicate a reasonable part of our time to our material tasks and enjoyments and another part of our time to spiritual development. Even those material distractions can teach you spiritual lessons if you look well. e.g. I can't count the times I've watched some show on TV and I've noticed that Krishna or other deity showed me a sign only I could have noticed. e.g. one day I prayed to Narasimha and out of the blue some guy with a lion mask appears on a music video. A sign that Narasimha was there, protecting me.

So let's not fall into the trap of the Elite that runs the World since millenia ago. The ruling class have always delighted in the same material pleasures they tell us not to enjoy. They teach us we should be poor, while they live in palaces of gold. It's not fair!

In my case Krishna communicated me that I shouldn't ask Him for mundane things, but better ask for that to Ganesh or Shiva. So far no luck with them, so that's why I was asking for alternatives. Although I just may need more patience.

BTW, I don't pretend to be a special person or saint; I believe anyone can receive occasional signs, visions and messages from deities if you meditate everyday.

 

[Desert Snake]

Thanks Vinayaka, but I have already repeated with a limited success Saint Germain style affirmations of the Orange Ray such as "I am wealth" or "I am supply", but now I feel Krishna frowns on me if I meditate with such affirmations. How can I explain it to you? It's actually a long story, but meditating with such affirmations for some reason causes the Hindu deities to guide me back to Buddhism and sometimes in a bad way. I know, it's just my UPG, but I have to use mantras now; no affirmations.

Maybe I'll just do what Sumit suggests (thank you) and recourse to Lakshmi mantras if I don't get more information about the "artha" mantra I probably invented.

Maybe concentrating so much on wealth makes me look as a greedy person to you, but what can I tell? I'd like to earn a good living as a music composer, but it's getting tougher by the day. :faint:

Not sure what that means, greed is frowned upon in Buddhism AFAIK.

 

[Vinayaka]

Orange divine light is related to divine supply. e.g. if I repeat a lot "I am supply" or "I am wealth", I see orange light with my eyes closed. It's the only clairvoyance I've got so far.

Saint Germain is an ascended master (a realized soul) that manages the violet ray. That means violet light or fire. Very strong stuff. Saint Germain metaphysics is sometimes equated to New Age spirituality, which has many Advaita Vedanta concepts in it.

I think that "light" is the same Hindu shakti; the origin of all energies. I have also seen colored lights sometimes while meditating with Hindu mantras. Especially with Om Dum Durgaye Namaha.

I'm sorry, but I didn't ask for an explanation. I just told you that I knew nothing about this stuff. (And I prefer it that way. I'm simply not interested. Hinduism has all the answers for me.) This is the Hinduism DIR after all. I'm a Hindu. Let's talk Hinduism. But you could perhaps ask how to acquire wealth in other sections of the forum.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

Sumit gave the good mantras, I don't know what is om artha artha ô__o

But you have to know reciting mantras will bring nothing to you if it's just saying words. They are not simple words, as Vinayaka Ji said

God is the one to decide to grant or not your desires. Approaching God and pleasing Him is the best way, IMHO, to tell Him your desires. God grants everything to His dearest devotee if it serves their spiritual upliftement, I'm not sure wealth is included in it. Depend what you want to do with it I guess. But Mantras and God are sure not magical vessels when you put you hands in it and get whatever you want inside, that's for sure

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[Jainarayan]

but now I feel Krishna frowns on me if I meditate with such affirmations. How can I explain it to you? It's actually a long story, but meditating with such affirmations for some reason causes the Hindu deities to guide me back to Buddhism and sometimes in a bad way. I know, it's just my UPG, but I have to use mantras now; no affirmations.

I can't conceive of any Hindu deity becoming angry or displeased. I think I speak for many Hindus, especially the group here in saying that. But that aside, what do you mean "back to Buddhism and sometimes in a bad way"? Aspects of Buddhism, which is probably more varied than Hinduism could ever be, has elements that are not incompatible with Hinduism. I'm not proselytizing Buddhism, I'm just curious what you mean. And if they are guiding you on a path, it's for a reason they have in mind.

I personally never ask for anything material because, presumptuous as this sounds, I can always count on the deities to get me out of a jam and help me when I need it most. I simply have faith they will help me, and I thank them either verbally or by an action when it happens. But thats just my way.

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam,

In my case Krishna communicated me that I shouldn't ask Him for mundane things, but better ask for that to Ganesh or Shiva. So far no luck with them, so that's why I was asking for alternatives. Although I just may need more patience.

If Sri Sri Krshna "told you you shouldn't ask Him mundane things", you'll have no luck with GaneshJi and Mahadeva. Why ? They are the same God. If this same God doesn't grant your wish, then asking this same God but with another face will not help more.

Asking Mahadeva to give you wealth ? You are asking the God of the cremation ground, destroyer of desire (material and ego), in the form of the ascetic, meditating and seated on animal pelts, not adorned with gold and jewels but with snakes, to give you wealth ?

Mahadev will give you advices and directions to go on your spiritual path toward God, He will sure help you to realize the illusory nature of desires and senses, He will sure be seated within you in meditation to make you taste the Absolute like the greatest Nectar on your tongue, He will sure invite you to witness His neverending dance all around us in the Universe for you to dance with Him in ParaSiva
But Mahadev will not fulfill a material desire that is the very core of what He destroy, if wealth doesn't serve spiritual upliftement, why would He give you that ?

You don't have to be special to connect with God...But you have to be honest, sincere, and devoted.


I have the feeling you approach God like a tool. "If Krshna don't give me what I want, I'll ask Ganesh. If Ganesh don't give me what I want I'll ask Shiva..."
They are all the same Oneness, the same Brahman. Thus ultimately, you're asking the same person.

What if a guy out of nowhere came to you and poked you repetively with a stick on your shoulder, asking "Hey please, I like you, can you give me 34tons of coconut ? Hey please, I like you, can you give me 34tons of coconut ? Hey please, I like you, can you give me 34tons of coconut ? Hey please, I like you, can you give me 34tons of coconut ?"
You're thinking: "This guy is rude to ask me something like that out of nowhere, and why the hell does he want 34tons of coconut ? That's useless ! I'm not going to give you that man !"
And then the man: "Oh okay, I'll ask to someone else then"
He turn around you and poke your other shoulder: "Hey please, I like you, can you give me 34tons of coconut ? Hey please, I like you, can you give me 34tons of coconut ? Hey please, I like you, can you give me 34tons of coconut ? Hey please, I like you, can you give me 34tons of coconut ?"

Well, that would be sure annoying !

There are special procedures and rituals for the people that have a sincere wish to grant, but again, devotion and being humble and steady in one's resolve is essential.


Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[Jainarayan]

I have the feeling you approach God like a tool. "If Krshna don't give me what I want, I'll ask Ganesh. If Ganesh don't give me what I want I'll ask Shiva..."
They are all the same Oneness, the same Brahman. Thus ultimately, you're asking the same person.

Here's a little story to illustrate your point (I didn't write it).

See, non-sectarian Hindus make about 90 % of the born Hindus. They worship Lord Krishna/Vishnu, Shiva, Durga, Ganesha and other deities and they have no issues, as they don't go into these meaningless doubts like "who is supreme ?". You choose the form and aspect of God that suits you. There is no superior or inferior aspect of God as God is ONE alone. I will tell you a story on this :

A person worshipped Lord Krishna, Lord HanumAn, Ma Durga, Lord Shiva etc. However he was always confused over who was the most powerful and whom to call when in distress. It so happened that he went to take bath in a river and he started drowning. He started calling Lord Krishna but due to his fear of death soon thought that "may be HanumAn can come sooner" and he called "HanumAn" ... but he was not so sure about that too and started calling "Lord Shiva" ... and soon after "Maa Durga" ... and in the process, there was no help coming through and he was swept away by the strong current of the river.

When he reached heaven on death, he was in front of Chitragupta who was taking stock of his Karmas but he was looking for God to complain over this injustice. God appeared there in front of him in the form of Krishna (which was this person's first favourite form). God asked him smiling, "My dear son, you appear quite sore. What happened ?". This man was pretty angry with God. He said, "Hey, I kept on worshipping you day and night and you didn't come to rescue me from getting drowned when I called you again and again ? You just don't take care of your Bhakta when the entire world considers you as the "lover of the devotees".

God smiled and said, "You were changing your mind so fast that I could not make it, though I was trying to come to save you! ... and you are blaming me ... it is not fair. See, first you called me in "Krishna's form". As soon as I was getting ready in Krishna's form to come to you, you called Me in HanumAn form. I threw my make-up of Krishna and immediately arranged for a monkey face and tail etc. and was about to leave to rescue you that you called me in the form of Shiva. So, immediately, I threw my monkey's body, tail, mace etc. and wore up the form of Shiva ... but by that time you had called me in form "Durga" ! Now, you know, it takes time to wear a Saree and by the time I was ready wearing Saree and other ornaments and all, it was too late ! So, how can you blame me ? "

The moral of the story is :
You can worship God in any form. It doesn't matter. All forms of God are are Supreme. You choose whatever suits you. Please note that in the above story, the fellow did no mistake by worshipping various forms of God but he failed because he didn't have complete faith in any of the forms.

 

[Maya3]

I love that story!

Maya

 

[agorman]

Vinayaka, sorry, I just thought what I said was interesting to a Hindu, especially the part where I noticed many concepts of Occidental Mysticism have been plagiarized from Hindu sources.

Nice story Jainarayan, I understand you Advaitins believe everything is the same, but sorry, it's not my case. Krishna has some expansions yes, but it doesn't mean all gods and demigods are the same God. Every expansion of Krishna, every demigod has its own personality and occupations.

But hey, there are even people who think Krishna is an andromedan alien! What's important is, letting ourselves be guided by Him.

Also JayaBolenath, probably Krishna meant I have to ask Ganesha for wealth and Shiva for health. It doesn't matter anyway, I've probably committed a mistake of revealing some too personal information of mine.

What if a guy out of nowhere came to you and poked you repetively with a stick on your shoulder, asking "Hey please,...

Is an interchange of favors with the Gods so bad? The Ancient Greeks called that reciprocity "kharis" (grace). And it's no cold business at all; I do have affection for Krishna. And I do give him offerings. And I feel the Paramatma is always with me making me company. If God suffers what I suffer, then what's so bad in asking Him material things to diminish my suffering? Anyway I wouldn't abandon my spiritual practices if I would ever become blessed with lots of wealth.

Besides I believe the "poking" comes from the side of the deities as well. It already happened to me that I felt Krishna asked me for a candle at 2:30 AM. So I lighted one also for Radha.

Anyway, this has gone way beyond of what I've asked in the first place. Hari Om Tat Sat!

 

[Nyingjé Tso]

Vanakkam, _/\_

You have absolutely the right to believe what you want, I don't care at all, and I think it's the same for many followers of Sanatana Dharma here. No one will try to convert you to anything or to make you believe into something, however in Sanatana Dharma there are basics, and basic principles that apply, that's all.

Atman and ParaAtman doesn't need anything, doesn't suffer, doesn't die neither born. Therefore God too, as it is only Bliss, Consciousness etc...

Nobody is making up anything or trying to force you to believe into anything, this is just basics of Sanatana Dharma, and you asked hindu

You can believe what you want on Hindu deities, does that mean they HAVE to give you satisfaction of desires ?

God doesn't punish you or make you suffering in your life, however your own karma does. God is with you but doesn't suffer, is not sad, is not embodied into a body that suffer karma, gunas, time, sickness...Because it's pure SatChitAnanda. And His goal is to guide you to attain this state of perfection with Him, so you will not suffer anymore or need anything.

There is no problem in asking anything material, just the mean to do it. God owe you nothing, and if you want something you have to be steady in your choice and prove that you really need it, make efforts to gain it instead of asking repeatively and waiting for it to come to you.

There are fasts, rituals, very specifics when you absolutely want a wish granted. However this has nothing to do with lihting a lamp and asking. It's asking with respect and showing you really need it, proving your will to obtain it over time and efforts.
You can have a fair trade, give time, give willpower, give devotion and efforts to God, and He will sure grant you what you want if you are sincere and respect Him

Note that Greek gods have nothing to do with hindu god, and the philosophy and all are completely different.

If you are interested I suggest you read about Sanatana Dharma basics such as Ramayana or MahaBharata, or maybe more philosophic works that explain and describe the belief system by Acharyas and knowledgable sages.


Aum Namah Shivaya

 

[Windwalker]

If you wish a thing from the divine, ask it for the benefit of another. If you ask it for another because you want it for yourself, you are not asking it for another but for yourself. As you continue in this you end up with nothing more than you came to God with, which was only looking at yourself. We have to examine ourselves and why we seek. To me God will grant you what takes you into what God desires you to be. Do you think you know what that is in yourself? Do you know better for yourself than God? Then why ask God?

To me, any mantra or prayer should be to know the mind of God in yourself, to see the world, others, and yourself with the divine mind. Pray for that, and other needs take on a different understanding. What you see as something desirable now, may become unimportant for you in that mind. What is it you really seek?


Please forgive my commenting in the Hindu section if this is seen as inappropriate, as I don't directly identify as Hindu myself, nor any single religion for that matter. However I very much I find a wealth of benefit and direction for myself within it and honor the many of its forms of God as part of my devotions. They have meaning in my spiritual path.

:namaste

 

[Andal]

Vanakkam,

Sri Sri Lakshmi Narayana is the source of all wealth and effluence. Ask Mata Lakshmi as she bestows many material boons. Lakshmi and Vishnu's yantras are also quite powerful. Others have also mentioned Ganeshaji.

Best to stick with established practices as opposed to creating new mantras.

Aum Hari Aum!