Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's why history is so important. So people can avoid making the same mistakes.
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Maybe Communist China ought to realize who's actually playing with fire.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
amorphous_constellation
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speaking of that, why do they even want the Uyghur territory though.. isn't that all just desert. Why not just give it up
amorphous_constellation
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I haven't seen that many people around this midwestern state take any of that too seriously, of any demographic
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
It is part of a massive region that actually is somewhat diverse in terms geological resources. Plus it borders Russia, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, among others. There is no way the Chinese government will give up control there.
Xinjiang - Wikipedia
It seems like the Mainland government is obsessed with Taiwan.
Taiwan's population is 23.8 million, so it would be no small evacuation. There are Chinese people living all over the world, including the U.S. - many of whom have been vocal critics of the Mainland Chinese government.
Hard to say. China has a large military and all, but do they really want to go to war that badly for Taiwan? How many casualties are they willing to incur to conquer Taiwan, and would they continue to have the support of the people if they see their loved ones coming home in body bags? The Soviets got bruised and bloodied when they tried to take over a much smaller Finland.
There's also a matter of being able to keep Taiwan under control, assuming that they're successful in conquering it.
It would be interesting if they did. Maybe they could revive SEATO or form some similar alliance. Or maybe just expand NATO into a global alliance. Originally, CENTO and SEATO were established with similar goals as NATO. There's also the OAS. We could conceivably form a massive worldwide alliance that could stand up to China.
Well, all three countries have had their ins and outs with each other. Russia vs. China, China vs. America, Russia vs. America - all at various times. Although we were all allies during WW2, more or less. It was a bit complicated with China at war with Japan (but not with Germany) and Russia at war with Germany (but not with Japan, not until the very end). But they still remember that, and that may have been a key factor in our not going to war with each other. There was a brief period when we were the sole possessor of atomic weaponry, and we could have brought down a world of hurt upon Russia or China, but we didn't. Patton and MacArthur wanted to do that, but they were overruled.
It would be no small evacuation, and the citizens would lose much. The upside is the message it would send, and it would be historically unforgettable. I think it would be a complete repudiation, completely rebuking the regime seeking legitimacy through war.
Its a dictatorship or small oligarchy. The people at the top do not have to care who dies, much like kings don't. They have sought greatness and unquestioning control over billions of lives by murdering political rivals. Yes they'll go to war as long as their own skin is not at risk.
Russians (and Ukrainians) have similar ideals to Americans. They have similar religion. They have a similar secular component in their societies. The largest difference is their language with its Slavic letters.
Where I live the vast majority take it seriously.
But this a hi-falutin university town.
Even the high school drop-outs are well educated.
I would guess many would still wish to remain on Taiwan. After all, people are often inclined to remain at home, regardless of whatever government rules over it. Occasionally, I read histories of some of Europe's towns and cities, and it astounds me how many flag changes some of these cities go through over the course of centuries.
Even in a dictatorship, they still have to appease the mob in one form or another. All of the economic good fortune their population has seen in recent decades could dry up rather quickly if they're ostracized and sanctioned by most of the world over an aggressive invasion of Taiwan.
Yes, those who were influenced by the Western Roman Empire use the Latin alphabet, while those who were influenced by the Eastern Roman Empire use the Cyrillic alphabet. That was a rather strong schism which existed for a while, and maybe it still exists today, to some extent.
Of course, it does bring up something about Russian history and their relationship to the Byzantine Empire. There's the idea that Moscow is the "Third Rome," with Constantinople being considered the "Second Rome," since they were what was left of the Roman Empire after the First Rome fell. But then, Constantinople fell in 1453, which is something the Russians never really forgot. In fact, for centuries, one of their main foreign policy objectives was the retaking of Constantinople, which led to numerous wars between Russia and Turkey. The Crimea and Ukraine also figure into this history as well, since Turkey also controlled the Crimea and portions of present-day Ukraine.
It is concerning. The administration needs to be careful.
Ew...
Russia's been doing it longer.
Simultaneity resulted from China catching up.
Coincidence? No.
Planned? No.
Inevitable. Yes.
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Well, I guess the words of Teddy Roosevelt might be apropos here: Speak softly, and carry a big stick.
There always seems to be a fair amount of rhetoric and loud talk publicly communicated between the superpowers, but that seems more for public consumption than anything else. We can tone down the rhetoric while quietly building up our forces and strengthening our alliances around the world.
The U.S. can't stand alone, but NATO and our other allies are not weak.
Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail.
RestlessSoul
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Oh great. Team America, World Police, again. Really?
Perhaps you guys should consider sorting your own police out before you try policing the world?
Perhaps you guys should consider sorting your own police out before you try policing the world?
So far most arguments against defending Taiwan seem to be based in fear of China's power, but if you wouldn't want to fight a war on foreign soil you really really don't want a war on the home front.
And if you dont draw the line far from home with these expansionist types whats to stop them expanding in power and territory till it *is* war on the home front?
In my opinion Taiwan's people should be allowed to vote on whether they wish to evacuate or stay and fight, and if the majority wish to fight a no fly zone should be drawn up over Taiwan and vigorously defended by Taiwan and its allies (i dont actually know if Australia is allied to Taiwan, but if the US gets drawn in Australia would possibly follow).
And if you dont draw the line far from home with these expansionist types whats to stop them expanding in power and territory till it *is* war on the home front?
In my opinion Taiwan's people should be allowed to vote on whether they wish to evacuate or stay and fight, and if the majority wish to fight a no fly zone should be drawn up over Taiwan and vigorously defended by Taiwan and its allies (i dont actually know if Australia is allied to Taiwan, but if the US gets drawn in Australia would possibly follow).