Maybe I don't want to be a Christian any more

[McBell]

I would rather be with one hypocrite, myself, than in a group of hypocrites arguing over whose hypocrisy is sanctioned by God.

 

[ChristineES]

I think it is safe to say that the 12 Apostles did not call themselves Christian, they called themselves Jews. So Katz, you don't need to call yourself a Christian in order to follow Jesus.

 

[J Bryson]

I think it is safe to say that the 12 Apostles did not call themselves Christian, they called themselves Jews. So Katz, you don't need to call yourself a Christian in order to follow Jesus.

Or you should at least hang out with more Jews.

 

[sojourner]

I would rather be with one hypocrite, myself, than in a group of hypocrites arguing over whose hypocrisy is sanctioned by God.

"Why should I trade one tyrant 1000 miles away for 1000 tyrants one mile away?"
Benjamin Martin -- "The Patriot"

 

[Katzpur]

I think it is safe to say that the 12 Apostles did not call themselves Christian, they called themselves Jews. So Katz, you don't need to call yourself a Christian in order to follow Jesus.

Good point, Christine!

 

[sojourner]

In fact, "Christian" was originally a perjorative term.

 

[Buttons*]

Is there even a Jewish word for "Christian"?

 

[blackout]

Maybe I don't want to be a Christian any more

*Sigh*. maybe I don't either.

It's hard being an Occultic Christian. :sad:





hehehe...

 

[Blessedlady888]

The older -- and wiser -- I get, and the more I hang out on RF, the more convinced I am that I don't really care whether I'm known as a Christian or not. As a matter of fact, more and more all the time, I'm starting to want to distance myself from people who call themselves "Christians." I'm beginning to understand why non-Christians are so turned off by Christians and by the doctrines they profess. It has taken me a long time to admit this. No one who truly believes in Jesus Christ and worships Him as his Savior and Redeemer wants to be told that He isn't a Christian. That's why we Latter-day Saints get so defensive when we're accused of not being Christians. If we say, "You're wrong. We are Christians," we are forced to defend ourselves against slanderous remarks. If we say, "You're right. We're not Christians," it's as if we have denied everything we stand for.

But who are we really denying it to? I don't need to fall into a man-made category of some kind in order for Jesus Christ to recognize me as His follower. I am just about ready to simply back off and stop trying to be accepted into the club. I don't want to be thought of as a Christian when most of the people who call themselves Christians are so unpleasant and judgmental. I don't want to be associated with them in any way. I'm a Latter-day Saint. I'm a Mormon. I love my Savior with all my heart and believe that when I stand before Him, He will welcome me with open arms, along with my brothers and sisters of all religious (and non-religious) persuasions. Don't even bother referring to me as a Christian (real or fake) any more because I want nothing to do with the Christianity I see all around me.

I were reading your post and it kind of sadden me be who you are God knows your heart and he is your keeper no one else, keep standing and walking in the light.

 

[Katzpur]

I were reading your post and it kind of sadden me be who you are God knows your heart and he is your keeper no one else, keep standing and walking in the light.

What a nice thing to say, BlessedLady. Welcome to RF! I look forward to hearing more from you. :yes:

 

[sojourner]

*Sigh*. maybe I don't either.

It's hard being an Occultic Christian. :sad:






hehehe...

I like occultic Christians. Interesting and refreshing take.

 

[Sisterariana]

It's amazing how you can talk to two different "Christians" and they don't believe in the same things. We get lost in the titles and letter of the law- but it's the spirit of the law we forget to focus on- loving God and loving one another - in a nutshell. This is where the modern day church has dropped the ball on becoming more religious than repentant.

 

[Sisterariana]

Unfortunately, looking at Christians only, has not encouraged me much "in the Lord." But maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. We look at the bad shape the world is in and want to pick someone to blame. Who better to blame than a group who supposedly has all the answers, or at least a link (connection) to the one who has all the answers. We fail to see, however, that Jesus warned us about false prophets. We cannot base how we feel about God on what PEOPLE say or do.

 

[themadhair]

We look at the bad shape the world is in and want to pick someone to blame.

I’ve never understood why people do this. Ireland of today, to take one example, is like a freaking utopia compared to the Ireland of just 30 years ago. I hear people harp on about ‘the good old days’ all the time but I just don’t see it. Sure there are problems in the world, but, on the whole, I have good reason to feel optimistic with the world generally moving in the right direction.

 

[challupa]

I’ve never understood why people do this. Ireland of today, to take one example, is like a freaking utopia compared to the Ireland of just 30 years ago. I hear people harp on about ‘the good old days’ all the time but I just don’t see it. Sure there are problems in the world, but, on the whole, I have good reason to feel optimistic with the world generally moving in the right direction.

Thank you!! That's what I see too. There generally seems to be far more people waking up and becoming aware of things that I never saw 40 years ago. People are gathering in way greater numbers than ever before to protest things like wars etc. I see this as a trend in the right direction. We are finally seeing the damage all the wars and exclusive mindsets have done and we're ready to change that. You also see more people realizing that we need to take responsibility for how we are in this world because only awareness can change anything.

 

[sojourner]

Unfortunately, looking at Christians only, has not encouraged me much "in the Lord." But maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. We look at the bad shape the world is in and want to pick someone to blame. Who better to blame than a group who supposedly has all the answers, or at least a link (connection) to the one who has all the answers. We fail to see, however, that Jesus warned us about false prophets. We cannot base how we feel about God on what PEOPLE say or do.

Hold on there, Chief! We never claimed to "have all the answers." We do claim to ask honest questions.

In fact, we do have to base how we feel about God on what PEOPLE say and do, because we represent God. We are God's children, we are the Body of Christ. We witness to the good news. You are looking in the wrong place.

If you don't feel "encouraged in the Lord," then you either have a false concept of what that means, or we, as a community, have dropped the ball.

But diversity has always been a reality for the Church -- to say that "unity depends upon uniformity" is ludicrous -- it was never that way, until Constantine turned the Church into something it was never supposed to be. And then Rome got wise, and then the Germans, Swiss and Brits got wise.

We should all get wise.

 

[sojourner]

It's amazing how you can talk to two different "Christians" and they don't believe in the same things. We get lost in the titles and letter of the law- but it's the spirit of the law we forget to focus on- loving God and loving one another - in a nutshell. This is where the modern day church has dropped the ball on becoming more religious than repentant.

How is that amazing? People are people. Even the disciples didn't believe the same things -- they are portrayed as arguing amongst themselves all the time -- and they had Jesus right there with them.

 

[Ozzie]

The older -- and wiser -- I get, and the more I hang out on RF, the more convinced I am that I don't really care whether I'm known as a Christian or not. As a matter of fact, more and more all the time, I'm starting to want to distance myself from people who call themselves "Christians." I'm beginning to understand why non-Christians are so turned off by Christians and by the doctrines they profess. It has taken me a long time to admit this. No one who truly believes in Jesus Christ and worships Him as his Savior and Redeemer wants to be told that He isn't a Christian. That's why we Latter-day Saints get so defensive when we're accused of not being Christians. If we say, "You're wrong. We are Christians," we are forced to defend ourselves against slanderous remarks. If we say, "You're right. We're not Christians," it's as if we have denied everything we stand for.

But who are we really denying it to? I don't need to fall into a man-made category of some kind in order for Jesus Christ to recognize me as His follower. I am just about ready to simply back off and stop trying to be accepted into the club. I don't want to be thought of as a Christian when most of the people who call themselves Christians are so unpleasant and judgmental. I don't want to be associated with them in any way. I'm a Latter-day Saint. I'm a Mormon. I love my Savior with all my heart and believe that when I stand before Him, He will welcome me with open arms, along with my brothers and sisters of all religious (and non-religious) persuasions. Don't even bother referring to me as a Christian (real or fake) any more because I want nothing to do with the Christianity I see all around me.

Good on you Katzpur/butterfly