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Arlanbb

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Maybe someone can explain to me the logic of the following ~ The Hebrew bible states that in Gods creation that everything God created was "Very Good" Gen 1:31. Then after about 1600 years God saw "that the wickedness of mankind was great...and mankind's heart was always evil. So God was sorry he had made mankind so God said I will blot out mankind whom I had created from the face of the earth. But Noah found favor in the eyes of God. So God started over with Noah and now for the last 4000 or so years mankind has not changed in wickedness and doing evil.

If God knows the end from the beginning didn't God know that mankind, that he created, was going to do evil?? Also if God knows the end from the beginning didn't he know that the mankind that developed after the Flood was going to become as evil or worse that mankind from before the Flood?? If the above is so then why was there a biblical flood at all, what good did it do to kill all those people from before the Flood if mankind was going to develope just the same kinds of evil or worse?? It sure sounds like God does not know the end from the beginning or why would he think mankind was going to be any different after the Genesis Flood than before?? Anyone want to answer why there was a biblical flood if people before or after were going to be the same kind of humans??:cool:
 
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imaginaryme

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The key to understanding the universality of "god" through the diversity of "man" is to look for the similar threads of thought consistent with the historical record. The story of Lucifer being cast out, or the Dragon cast down, or the legend of Marduk and Tiamat all bear a striking resemblance to a modern hypothesis of astronomy that, sometime in the deep past, a comet struck the Earth. The greatest single piece of evidence to suggest that this is so is the symmetry between Earth and Venus - this planet should not have shed its dense primordial atmosphere according to geological evolution - without help from an outside source.

As for doing evil, this is just that evil is misunderstood. Evil is both contrary, and integral, to the natural order of things. Yet, it always happens some practitioner of the dark arts gains notoriety for making a public spectacle of himself by being sucked into the downward spiral of soul destroying madness by telling the world, I can handle it. Crowley in recent times, Faustus back in the day - that Joseph Smith character also seems to fit the bill.

Where we stand in these seeming "dark times" is that the build-up of willful ignorance on the subject of evil has lead to a natural imbalance; and nature will regulate. Either we start acting like human beings instead of a bunch of greedy, self-serving monkeys, or the entire race is going insane; if mother Earth gets involved, expect plague and pestilence - or another ice age - but the balance is soon to be restored.

On the individual level, don't mess with things you don't understand, there will be no problems. :D
 
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roddio

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Arlanbb said:
Maybe someone can explain to me the logic of the following ~ The Hebrew bible states that in Gods creation that everything God created was "Very Good" Gen 1:31. Then after about 1600 years God saw "that the wickedness of mankind was great...and mankind's heart was always evil. So God was sorry he had made mankind so God said I will blot out mankind whom I had created from the face of the earth. But Noah found favor in the eyes of God. So God started over with Noah and now for the last 4000 or so years mankind has not changed in wickedness and doing evil.

If God knows the end from the beginning didn't God know that mankind, that he created, was going to do evil?? Also if God knows the end from the beginning didn't he know that the mankind that developed after the Flood was going to become as evil or worse that mankind from before the Flood?? If the above is so then why was there a biblical flood at all, what good did it do to kill all those people from before the Flood if mankind was going to develope just the same kinds of evil or worse?? It sure sounds like God does not know the end from the beginning or why would he think mankind was going to be any different after the Genesis Flood than before?? Anyone want to answer why there was a biblical flood if people before or after were going to be the same kind of humans??:cool:
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Everything God created was good, when man was created He had no concept of sin. God gave them instructions not to eat from the tree and man chose to so it shouldnt be why God but why did we? God destroyed the people in the flood to give us a chance to live good lives without seeing the evil that others was doing, but yet again we sinned. God gave us free will to make our own decisions and you can see many of us still choose to live in sin. If you got children you raise them up to do the right thing, you tell them all the things you did wrong hoping that they wouldnt make the same mistakes you made. Your children are grown and no longer live in your house and they make the same mistakes is it your fault? Im not saying that God makes mistakes but He told us to stay away from things would hurt us. God bless
 
Ba'al

Ba'al

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That answer gives the same problem roddio. Didn't God know we would eat the fruit and become sinners? Genisis was written down centuries after the supposed events took place. Try telling a story to someone and have them tell another person. After it goes through thousands of people and hundreds of years later see if the story is the same, let alone accurate. If you believe God doesn't make mistakes then you know the bible is not Gods word.
BTW, God did change humans after the flood...they no longer lived to be 100.
 
McBell

McBell

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roddio said:
If you got children you raise them up to do the right thing, you tell them all the things you did wrong hoping that they wouldnt make the same mistakes you made. Your children are grown and no longer live in your house and they make the same mistakes is it your fault?
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Personally, I find this to be a really bad analogy.
I mean really now, how many parents do you know of that are not only ALL POWERFUL but also ALL KNOWING?
Not to mention that I have never once met anyone, parent or not, that has created the whole freaking universe and everything in it.

roddio said:
not saying that God makes mistakes but He told us to stay away from things would hurt us. God bless
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I will flat out say that God made mistakes.
But then, I do not believe that any deity is all knowing or all powerful.
 
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roddio

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Ba'al said:
That answer gives the same problem roddio. Didn't God know we would eat the fruit and become sinners? Genisis was written down centuries after the supposed events took place. Try telling a story to someone and have them tell another person. After it goes through thousands of people and hundreds of years later see if the story is the same, let alone accurate. If you believe God doesn't make mistakes then you know the bible is not Gods word.
BTW, God did change humans after the flood...they no longer lived to be 100.
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didnt we know that eating the fruit would end up bad for us? The bible is God's words. why blame God? Is it God's fault if you jump off a building knowing you would die? God bless
 
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roddio

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Mestemia said:
Personally, I find this to be a really bad analogy.
I mean really now, how many parents do you know of that are not only ALL POWERFUL but also ALL KNOWING?
Not to mention that I have never once met anyone, parent or not, that has created the whole freaking universe and everything in it.


I will flat out say that God made mistakes.
But then, I do not believe that any deity is all knowing or all powerful.
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you think its a bad analogy ok. parents have the knowledge to teach us right from wrong, think about it when you made that mistake and your parent said I told you so. you may believe that God made mistakes but I dont so i guess we'll have to agree to disagree. God bless
 
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Arlanbb

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roddio said:
The bible is God's words. why blame God? Is it God's fault[/SIZE]

You missed the point i was making, roddio, which was God, who know the end from the beginning, created mankind and for 1600 years he watches how mankind has nothing but evil in his heart continually and God said "hey i goofed in making mankind, i'm very sorry i did it, i didn't know why i put those stuped people on the earth, i must have been so tired from making the beautiful earth that i just was not thinking straight so i better drown them all... oh.. who is that over there ..Noah now that looks like the kind of guy i can trust... lets save him and his family...."! Roddio ~ Is God that dumb that he didn't know that all of the children from Noah's family is going to do the same thing as all the childen of Adam's family did? If God knows all then he must have known that mankind would do the same after the flood as before so why have a worldwide flood? Why try to cleans the earth by flooding them all out when it was going to get just as evil after the flood? There is no logic behind it for such a smart GOD to do. This is one of the reasons the Genesis flood never happened. The logic behind it is so stuped it make one think the biblical God has lost his marbles.;)
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no-body

no-body

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If God is perfect why are his creations imperfect? Not just humans, angels too apparently. The abrahamic God seems to drop the ball a lot. Even if we take into account free will if you look at it rationally you see that God must want "evil" to be part of the natural order of the world. Someone who is omnipotent and all-knowing must take all the blame for his creations because if He really wanted to he could put everything in order, that he doesn't means he is a power hungry sadist or indifferent about the world.
 
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roddio

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Arlanbb said:
roddio said:
The bible is God's words. why blame God? Is it God's fault[/size]

You missed the point i was making, roddio, which was God, who know the end from the beginning, created mankind and for 1600 years he watches how mankind has nothing but evil in his heart continually and God said "hey i goofed in making mankind, i'm very sorry i did it, i didn't know why i put those stuped people on the earth, i must have been so tired from making the beautiful earth that i just was not thinking straight so i better drown them all... oh.. who is that over there ..Noah now that looks like the kind of guy i can trust... lets save him and his family...."! Roddio ~ Is God that dumb that he didn't know that all of the children from Noah's family is going to do the same thing as all the childen of Adam's family did? If God knows all then he must have known that mankind would do the same after the flood as before so why have a worldwide flood? Why try to cleans the earth by flooding them all out when it was going to get just as evil after the flood? There is no logic behind it for such a smart GOD to do. This is one of the reasons the Genesis flood never happened. The logic behind it is so stuped it make one think the biblical God has lost his marbles.;)
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You control your life dont you? you make decisions for yourself, you say whether your going to do evil or good. God gives us every possible opportunity to live good lives we are the one who decides how were going to live. For nonbelievers alot of things God did/does doesnt make sense. question God destroyed the evil in your surroundings giving you a better chance to live a safe life you wouldnt appreciate that? God bless
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roddio

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no-body said:
If God is perfect why are his creations imperfect? Not just humans, angels too apparently. The abrahamic God seems to drop the ball a lot. Even if we take into account free will if you look at it rationally you see that God must want "evil" to be part of the natural order of the world. Someone who is omnipotent and all-knowing must take all the blame for his creations because if He really wanted to he could put everything in order, that he doesn't means he is a power hungry sadist or indifferent about the world.
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If you committed a crime can i take your parents to jail? after all they did give birth to you and they did teach you what you know. God bless
 
McBell

McBell

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roddio said:
so then I cant blame your parents for actions. No more than we can blame God for our actions. God bless
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Um..
God has absolutely NO problems punishing the children for the sins of the parents.

Adam and Eve is a prime example.
Deuteronomy 23:2 is another prime example
 
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Arlanbb

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Mestemia said:
Um..
God has absolutely NO problems punishing the children for the sins of the parents.

Adam and Eve is a prime example.
Deuteronomy 23:2 is another prime example
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Now that is a good example where God will punish a *******'s children for 10 generations because he is a ******* which he himself had anything to do with his problem. Also in verse 3 the Ammonites and Moabites have the same problem for 10 generations. A(wo)men. :sleep:
 
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Arlanbb

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Arlanbb said:
Now that is a good example where God will punish a *******'s children for 10 generations because he is a ******* which he himself had anything to do with his problem. Also in verse 3 the Ammonites and Moabites have the same problem for 10 generations. A(wo)men. :sleep:
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For those who don't realize it the *******'s are for a word that is in the bible and the dictionary but can not be printed here. The first part is a fish that i eat all the time and have caught in a Bass lake close to my house and the last part is something like a cusTARD that i eat at times. Have a Happy Holiday:yes::):eek:
 
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roddio

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Mestemia said:
Um..
God has absolutely NO problems punishing the children for the sins of the parents.

Adam and Eve is a prime example.
Deuteronomy 23:2 is another prime example
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Noah is another prime example. Noah was blessed to live when everybody else died. Cain was punished because of his actions. Abel was blessed for his actions. Abraham parents didnt worship God but God called Abraham out from his family and Abraham became father of many nations. we all are going to be judged according to our actions this is my beliefs. God bless
 
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