Medic executes helpless wounded man on camera

[Kapyong]

Gday all,

Here is the scene -

A fight breaks out between two civilians and some soldiers,
it ends when the soldiers subdue the civilian men,
leaving the soldiers with minor wounds,
and both civilian men lying wounded and bleeding on the ground.

The soldiers call for support and their medics arrive in ambulances.
The video picks up with the medics helping their soldiers,
with one of the wounded civilians lying on the ground bleeding :

Summary -

The medics attend to the soldiers, leaving the civilian man to bleed out unaided on the ground for about eight minutes.

Then, Medic Elor Azaria approaches the wounded civilian Abed al-Fatah al-Sharif as he lies helpless on the ground, and executes him with a shot to the head from close range.

You can read more details here :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron_shooting_incident
or here :
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/24...oldier-executing-wounded-palestinian-suspect/

(Note that the other soldiers don't react at all, supporting charges (and other videos) this is not un-common practice.)

Azaria has escaped a murder charge, but may face a man-slaughter charge.

A rally in Tel Aviv in support of Medic Azaria heard he was “the first one to help any human being who is in trouble” (from his mother).

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/t...er-who-executed-palestinian-hebron-1087042161

One woman held this sign :

Israelis support Azaria :

' Israeli public opinion is solidly behind the soldier, Elor Azaria, with one poll showing 82 percent agreeing that he was justified in shooting the man who carried out the knife attack, 21-year-old Abed al-Fatah al-Sharif.

There is also a Facebook page titled “We are all with the soldier who shot the terrorist,” with the wall covered in variations on a meme that shows various people, even a couple at their wedding, holding homemade signs with messages of support like “free our soldier” and “we would have done just as you did.” '​

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/04/israel-rallies-around-killer-soldier.html

So,
what do readers think of a medic shooting a helpless man in the head ?

I think it is murder.


Kapyong

 

[Valjean]

I saw this on the BBC earlier this evening.
I wish I could say I'm surprised.

 

[jeager106]

Mercy killing.
I get that.
Hopeless wounds and suffering human.
Maybe, and it's a big maybe, I could do the same.
But then I've held people while they died of grievous injuries.
Never killed them tho. I have an aversion to prison.
I've seen enough death and suffering so my outlook may be a bit cold.
On the other hand do humans have a right to make such judgement calls?
Dunno.
I once held the hand of a man who blew out his frontal lobe with a shotgun.
I let him bleed out and die.
Whot'in'ell does one do to "help" a man with 1/3rd of his brain plastered on the
ceiling?
The dying mans hand closed on mine and his eyes looked into mine.
Did my desperate act give him some comfort in his final moments?
I'd like to think so.
And some wonder why I became alcoholic.
( no I no longer drink at all )
Ya think cops ride around in pretty police cars eating donuts all day?

 

[David1967]

Mercy killing.
I get that.
Hopeless wounds and suffering human.
Maybe, and it's a big maybe, I could do the same.
But then I've held people while they died of grievous injuries.
Never killed them tho. I have an aversion to prison.
I've seen enough death and suffering so my outlook may be a bit cold.
On the other hand do humans have a right to make such judgement calls?
Dunno.
I once held the hand of a man who blew out his frontal lobe with a shotgun.
I let him bleed out and die.
Whot'in'ell does one do to "help" a man with 1/3rd of his brain plastered on the
ceiling?
The dying mans hand closed on mine and his eyes looked into mine.
Did my desperate act give him some comfort in his final moments?
I'd like to think so.
And some wonder why I became alcoholic.
( no I no longer drink at all )
Ya think cops ride around in pretty police cars eating donuts all day?

Sure wish more people would do a ride along with their local police. I like to think it may change that shallow opinion. Thanks Jaeger.

 

[YmirGF]

I voted "murder" as there was simply no reason (we are aware of) that warranted the action against the assailant.

Considering that both the Israel Defense Mininster and Prime Minister Netanyahu spoke out against the killing is indicative of the fact that this behavior is not government policy in Israel.

Said the Defense Minister, "The incident is highly severe, and completely contrary to the IDF's values and its combat morals. We must not allow, even as our blood boils, such a loss of faculties and control. This incident will be dealt with in the strictest manner." IDF Spokesperson Brigadier general Moti Almoz said it was "a very severe incident. This is not the IDF culture or the Jewish people's culture."

IDF Report States Soldier Who Shot Palestinian Attacker Driven by 'Twisted Ideology'

 

[Valjean]

Mercy killing? Who triaged that man?

 

[jeager106]

Mercy killing? Who triaged that man?

• tri·age1
  /trēˈäZH/
  noun
  1. (in medical use) the assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses to decide the order of treatment of a large number of patients or casualties.
  verb
  1. assign degrees of urgency to (wounded or ill patients).

I maintain it's a judgement call and we weren't there.
Think these things don't happen in warfare on all sides?

 

[Kapyong]

Gday jeager106 and all

Mercy killing.

Wow.
You think a medic executing a wounded helpless man is a mercy killing ?

What if it had been a Palestinian medic executing a wounded helpless Israeli ?
Would that be a mercy killing to you ?


Freedom is Slavery !
Invasion is Self-Defence !
Murder is Mercy !


Kapyong

 

[Kapyong]

Gday all,

• tri·age1
  /trēˈäZH/
  noun
  1. (in medical use) the assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses to decide the order of treatment of a large number of patients or casualties.
  verb
  1. assign degrees of urgency to (wounded or ill patients).

No triage took place.
It was an execution.

Think these things don't happen in warfare on all sides?

Excuse #2 - But Hamas !


Kapyong

 

[jeager106]

Call it what you will from your own worldview.
That's fine.
I see it as an act to end suffering in hostile conditions.
It's a judgement call and we weren't there.
Suffice it to say if it were you that was hurt that badly I'd respect your right to die
without needless suffering.
Unless you were in a condition to ask me not to.
Then I'd let you die more slowly with horrid pain.
Let me add that doing such a thing would likely haunt me forever.
Ever see someone burned over all the body?
I have.
Sickening and painful though I'm told that when such a horrible thing occurs
the victim may not feel much pain for a while.
The poor person I saw was moaning and groaning a whole bunch.
Fortunately for victims of fire the smoke often kills before the flame.
(no wonder I drank so much!)
Sadly I witnessed a woman holding a baby near where her totally engulfed house was.
She didn't even notice the baby was burned.
Poor baby had yellow fat seeping out of it's head and arms from burns.
I took the baby from her and went to the nearby ambulance.
Much later, when I got home my wife (ex now) said I smelled like ham.
Burned people do smell like ham.
I noticed SKIN stuck to my arms.
(wonder why I drank so much?)
I couldn't bear the odor of cooked ham for YEARS after that.
No, I have no idea if the baby made it.
The baby was choppered to the Akron burn hospital.
Cops seldom know the outcome of things like that.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Murder. The law must apply to everyone.

 

[jeager106]

Gday all,
No triage took place.
It was an execution.
Excuse #2 - But Hamas !
Kapyong

Listen: I'm in recovery from the deadly condition of alcoholism and I'm quite
open about that. If anyone thinks the less of me for recovery then so be it.
I fully understand a mercy killing. Call it murder if you wish.
My father was in the 3rd Armored Spearhead Division, light tanks.
He alluded to infantry soldiers that shot both Americans and Germans that
seemed to be hopelessly wounded.
Back then there was little if any morphine issued to troops to soften the suffering
and shock of being wounded.
Dad was quite drunk once and crying. He blurted out that he couldn't stand
the memories of children he and his people killed.
Kids were sometimes wired with explosives and detonated to kill the Allies.
It's a little known FACT that Allied soldiers did NOT take prisoners unless
enemy solders were needed for interrogation.
The Axis forces did the same damned thing.
Execution? Really?
"War is hell."
What part of that don't some people understand?
Officers taking part in the D-day invasions were told NOT to take prisoners
unless high ranking officers gave up.
There was little time or resources to take and hold prisoners.
Waffen S.S. were ORDERED executed on the spot.
Google a bit and see for yourself.
Oh, and the Germans did the same.
The Germans were infamous for executing large numbers of allied prisoners.
Then there were the Japanese war crimes.
Ad naseum.

 

[jeager106]

Murder. The law must apply to everyone.

What "law" would that be?
Cite me a codified rule or law please. The Geneva Accords do not apply.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What "law" would that be?
Cite me a codified rule or law please. The Geneva Accords do not apply.

Um, laws against shooting unarmed, helpless people?

 

[jeager106]

Um, laws against shooting unarmed, helpless people?

Be specific please.
What part of "war is hell" is hard to understand.
What we are referring to in this case is a judgement call and we weren't there.
Again: What codified ordinance or written law are you referring to?
\
Not your response based on your worldview and emotions?

 

[Kapyong]

Gday all,

Shocking and incredible, isn't it ?

An Israeli murdering a wounded helpless Palestinian man is a 'mercy killing'.

But if a Palestinian even THREATENS an Israeli - they are a 'terrorist' who must be shot dead immediately.

Here is an example of a squad of brave soldiers, armed only with assault rifles, apprehending a dangerous 'terrorist' :

Happens every day.

Palestinian children are captured, even kidnapped in the middle of the night, imprisoned, used as human shields, tortured and sometimes sexually abused - by the alleged "most moral army in the world"

War is Peace !
Invasion is Self-defence !
Torture is Moral !


Kapyong

 

[Kapyong]

Gday all

I look forward to seeing the views and votes of my colleagues and interlocuters including :

@LuisDantas
@icehorse
@metis
@Ya'quub
@Jayhawker Soule
@Godobeyer
@Lyndon
@Gharib
@Crypto2015
@Flankerl
@columbus
@rosends


Kapyong

 

[Godobeyer]

Gday all

I look forward to seeing the views and votes of my colleagues and interlocuters including :

@LuisDantas
@icehorse
@metis
@Ya'quub
@Jayhawker Soule
@Godobeyer
@Lyndon
@Gharib
@Crypto2015
@Flankerl
@columbus
@rosends


Kapyong

I am already voted

btw I post thread about this execution before,months ago.

 

[Kapyong]

السلام عليكم

I am already voted
btw I post thread about this execution before,months ago.

Ah, thanks

I think this particular incident captures the problem quite well :

Many Israelis and Jews believe that Jewish lives are worth more than Palestinian (and even non-Jewish) lives.

"A thousand Arabs are not worth one Jewish fingernail "
they say.


Kapyong

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I look forward to seeing the views and votes of my colleagues and interlocuters including :

<yawn>

ignore-list : I've had enough of this antisemitic demagoguery​

<yawn>