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Medic executes helpless wounded man on camera
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, here's the difference: when and if a member of the IDF allegedly shoots an innocent person, an investigation occurs, and that soldier normally is brought to justice if found guilty, and some have. OTOH, if a Palestinian kills an Israeli civilian, the Palestinians celebrate and donations are given to the family, plus the killer often has his picture posted so other Palestinians can recognize and honor him.
See the difference?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
^^ignore list^^ [just another anti-Semitic troll, and they're a dime a dozen]السلام عليكم
Ah, thanks
I think this particular incident captures the problem quite well :
Many Israelis and Jews believe that Jewish lives are worth more than Palestinian (and even non-Jewish) lives.
"A thousand Arabs are not worth one Jewish fingernail "
they say.
Kapyong
Gday all
I look forward to seeing the views and votes of my colleagues and interlocuters including :
@LuisDantas
@icehorse
@metis
@Ya'quub
@Jayhawker Soule
@Godobeyer
@Lyndon
@Gharib
@Crypto2015
@Flankerl
@columbus
@rosends
Kapyong
It doesn't look good. But since I don't have all the facts, I am not in a position to pass judgement. Atrocities are committed on both sides.
Gday Ya'quub and all,
Did you view the video ?
The facts are quite clear on it.
Kapyong
Did you view the video ?
The facts are quite clear on it.
Kapyong
Gday metis and all 
Why don't you ever answer the questions I ask ?
Why do you ignore the Israeli celebrations over murdered Palestinians ?
What about the Israeli terrorist who burned three Palestinians to death by fire-bombing their house ?
He was set FREE !
And Israelis celebrated.
Do you support that triple-murder too ?
This is just another form of Excuse #2 - But Hamas !
Ignore Israeli atrocities, and always deflect with But Hamas !
Do you support Medic Azaria in executing al-Sharif ?
Would you support a Palestinian executing a wounded Irsaeli ?
Do you believe Jewish lives are worth more than Palestinian lives ?
Why do you repeatedly and conspicuously ignore those crucial questions ?
Kapyong
Why don't you ever answer the questions I ask ?
Why do you ignore the Israeli celebrations over murdered Palestinians ?
What about the Israeli terrorist who burned three Palestinians to death by fire-bombing their house ?
He was set FREE !
And Israelis celebrated.
Do you support that triple-murder too ?
This is just another form of Excuse #2 - But Hamas !
Ignore Israeli atrocities, and always deflect with But Hamas !
Do you support Medic Azaria in executing al-Sharif ?
Would you support a Palestinian executing a wounded Irsaeli ?
Do you believe Jewish lives are worth more than Palestinian lives ?
Why do you repeatedly and conspicuously ignore those crucial questions ?
Kapyong
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
Gday all,
Here is the scene -
A fight breaks out between two civilians and some soldiers,
it ends when the soldiers subdue the civilian men,
leaving the soldiers with minor wounds,
and both civilian men lying wounded and bleeding on the ground.
The soldiers call for support and their medics arrive in ambulances.
The video picks up with the medics helping their soldiers,
with one of the wounded civilians lying on the ground bleeding :
Summary -
The medics attend to the soldiers, leaving the civilian man to bleed out unaided on the ground for about eight minutes.
Then, Medic Elor Azaria approaches the wounded civilian Abed al-Fatah al-Sharif as he lies helpless on the ground, and executes him with a shot to the head from close range.
You can read more details here :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron_shooting_incident
or here :
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/24...oldier-executing-wounded-palestinian-suspect/
(Note that the other soldiers don't react at all, supporting charges (and other videos) this is not un-common practice.)
Azaria has escaped a murder charge, but may face a man-slaughter charge.
A rally in Tel Aviv in support of Medic Azaria heard he was “the first one to help any human being who is in trouble” (from his mother).
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/t...er-who-executed-palestinian-hebron-1087042161
One woman held this sign :
Israelis support Azaria :
' Israeli public opinion is solidly behind the soldier, Elor Azaria, with one poll showing 82 percent agreeing that he was justified in shooting the man who carried out the knife attack, 21-year-old Abed al-Fatah al-Sharif.
There is also a Facebook page titled “We are all with the soldier who shot the terrorist,” with the wall covered in variations on a meme that shows various people, even a couple at their wedding, holding homemade signs with messages of support like “free our soldier” and “we would have done just as you did.” '
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/04/israel-rallies-around-killer-soldier.html
So,
what do readers think of a medic shooting a helpless man in the head ?
I think it is murder.
Kapyong
This is old news. In the end it became clear the soldier had no actual suspicions of a potential bomb, as a police officer searched him minutes before the video IIRC.
Murder. Though at the same time if you charge at a police officer and a soldier with a knife, then expect to get killed.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
As I said, it doesn't look good.
Gday all,
So there we have it.
I have presented the facts about the new Holocaust 2.0
None of the pro-Israelis can refute my facts.
I have demolished the usual excuses and nonsense, which all boil down to :
Excuse 1 : But Palestine is not a state !
(As if a minority denying them state-hood makes it OK to erase Palestine and kill Palestinians.)
Excuse 2 : But Hamas/PLO is evil !
(As if that makes it OK for Israel to kidnap and torture youngsters, to snipe dead innocent women and children, to massacre thousands, to execute helpless wounded.)
Excuse 3 : Israel is just defending itself !
(As if killing thousands of Palestinians - mostly civilians, destroying 10,000 homes, and disabling hundreds of children in Gaza in 2014 was just self-defence for the death of THREE Israelis.)
Excuse 4 : Look, over there ! A distraction !
(Anything to avoid addressing the facts.)
So now, having failed dismally to refute my facts - largely by ignoring them, and just repeating their insults and propaganda - the pro-Israelis are just giving up and running away.
Anything to avoid addressing the facts.
Kapyong
So there we have it.
I have presented the facts about the new Holocaust 2.0
None of the pro-Israelis can refute my facts.
I have demolished the usual excuses and nonsense, which all boil down to :
Excuse 1 : But Palestine is not a state !
(As if a minority denying them state-hood makes it OK to erase Palestine and kill Palestinians.)
Excuse 2 : But Hamas/PLO is evil !
(As if that makes it OK for Israel to kidnap and torture youngsters, to snipe dead innocent women and children, to massacre thousands, to execute helpless wounded.)
Excuse 3 : Israel is just defending itself !
(As if killing thousands of Palestinians - mostly civilians, destroying 10,000 homes, and disabling hundreds of children in Gaza in 2014 was just self-defence for the death of THREE Israelis.)
Excuse 4 : Look, over there ! A distraction !
(Anything to avoid addressing the facts.)
So now, having failed dismally to refute my facts - largely by ignoring them, and just repeating their insults and propaganda - the pro-Israelis are just giving up and running away.
Anything to avoid addressing the facts.
Kapyong
And you know what's really sad.....that they are brothers in their ancestry. Both descended from Abraham's sons.
If we knew that we were related to a race we have been taught to have ill feelings for...would we still hate them?
DNA tests are now showing that we aren't who we think we are and that those we hate aren't what we think they are. There is no basis for racial hatred. We are all one race....the human race.
If we knew that we were related to a race we have been taught to have ill feelings for...would we still hate them?
DNA tests are now showing that we aren't who we think we are and that those we hate aren't what we think they are. There is no basis for racial hatred. We are all one race....the human race.
And you know what's really sad.....that they are brothers in their ancestry. Both descended from Abraham's sons.
If we knew that we were related to a race we have been taught to have ill feelings for...would we still hate them?
DNA tests are now showing that we aren't who we think we are and that those we hate aren't what we think they are. There is no basis for racial hatred. We are all one race....the human race.
The world's oldest family feud.
Ishmael and Isaac? Jacob and Esau? All had the same "father/grandfather" yet the family feud was very intense. They all lived before God gave his laws to his people who descended from Isaac and Jacob.
We don't have ignorance as an excuse today. We have God's law to love Him 'with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves'.....AND we have the DNA results to back up what the Bible says, that God created just one race.....the human race.
Muslims, Jews and Christians all have the law of Moses in their holy scriptures....so who is obeying them?
Ishmael and Isaac? Jacob and Esau? All had the same "father/grandfather" yet the family feud was very intense. They all lived before God gave his laws to his people who descended from Isaac and Jacob.
We don't have ignorance as an excuse today. We have God's law to love Him 'with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves'.....AND we have the DNA results to back up what the Bible says, that God created just one race.....the human race.
Muslims, Jews and Christians all have the law of Moses in their holy scriptures....so who is obeying them?
Yes we do have this law in our holy books. The
Problem is people obeying them as they see fit instead of applying them to all people as intended.
Yes, it seems that the power of sin can overcome the power of love, when we are supposed to use love to "cover a multitude of sins".
Love can kill hatred but we have to put in the effort.
I was thinking about this lack of brotherly love and realized that it really started with Cain and Abel. Then it was carried on with Jacob and Esau. Perhaps that is why God had brotherly love incorporated into his law. There was no excuse to disobey it.
Imagine if all Jews, Muslims and Christians acknowledged their obligation to love God by NOT hating their brother or their neighbor?
I want to live in a world where all are brothers but all are loving to one another. I believe such a world is coming when God's kingdom takes over control of this earth. (Matt 6:10; Dan 2:44; Rev 21:1-5) Humans were put here to take care of the earth, the creatures and one another. God will restore his first purpose.....it will not fail (Isaiah 55:11)
Yes, it seems that the power of sin can overcome the power of love, when we are supposed to use love to "cover a multitude of sins".
Love can kill hatred but we have to put in the effort.
I was thinking about this lack of brotherly love and realized that it really started with Cain and Abel. Then it was carried on with Jacob and Esau. Perhaps that is why God had brotherly love incorporated into his law. There was no excuse to disobey it.
Imagine if all Jews, Muslims and Christians acknowledged their obligation to love God by NOT hating their brother or their neighbor?
I want to live in a world where all are brothers but all are loving to one another. I believe such a world is coming when God's kingdom takes over control of this earth. (Matt 6:10; Dan 2:44; Rev 21:1-5) Humans were put here to take care of the earth, the creatures and one another. God will restore his first purpose.....it will not fail (Isaiah 55:11)
Good point. Can one truly love God yet hate their brother? Now there's an idea for a thread in itself.
Ooooh why don't we start one?
(1 John 4:20, 21)
Ooooh why don't we start one?
Go ahead. I will love to take part in that.
McBell
Unbound
What a load of ****.
You presented an imcomplete video along with your obviously bias emotional response and call that "presenting the facts"?
You will need to link to the threads where you allegedly have done the above because they are not in this thread.
@Kapyong I'm going to grant you some respect and assume that you know full well that your arguments are flawed. You ought to grant us some respect, and assume that no one is going to be convinced by such poorly constructed arguments. You consistently cherry-pick from situations, you use only that evidence that suits you, you ignore evidence that runs counter to your arguments, and you set up skewed, artificial, one-sided contexts. No one is taken in by this.
Several posters have already acknowledged that this particular episode *appears* to be quite damning when concerning a particular soldier. But for the sake of argument, even if I agree with that conclusion, this episode is simply not indicative of the broader context, and frankly, I think you know that.
Several posters have already acknowledged that this particular episode *appears* to be quite damning when concerning a particular soldier. But for the sake of argument, even if I agree with that conclusion, this episode is simply not indicative of the broader context, and frankly, I think you know that.