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Mental Illness or Religious Experience?

I have had an experience I've never quite been able to explain, and I'd really be interested in hearing any views on what people think happened to me, or if anyone has had a similar experience, though there certainly might be many who simply think that I am crazy. If you will let me, I want to take you back through the years to a night back then, it was in England, my home country, in the county of Nottinghamshire, I had an experience to this day I can't understand, any views will be appreciated.

It was the year 2000, I was laying in bed unable to sleep, I was feeling alone, desperate, in tears and prayer, three years previously a girl who I thought to be the love of my life had rejected me, it was basically unrequited love. Although I was not and am not a Christian, infact I am not religious but I do see myself as spiritual, I was in prayer to God, confiding that I was hurt, felt abandoned, I had never gotten over losing her love, and there seemed to be no hope anymore.

It was dark outside, the clouds clung to the sky like ephemeral mists lost in time over a world crying out in pain, since 1997 I had grown bitter, angry, and it had turned to hate and feeling nothing towards the world, I had long since lost caring anymore, with the love that beat in my heart for this girl, I wished I could tear open my chest and find peace. Since 1997 I had evidently became ill, in my heart, mind and soul, my thoughts ravished with insanity and delusion, and later I would be diagnosed with a mental illness.

With the night outside though, in my loneliness suddenly I spoke five words, they came from deep within me without consent, like activated without my choice, I had never known their meaning before, or even given it much thought, these things were far from my mind, but the words rushed from my lips, it felt like some kind of inner thunder, I had never experienced this before or since, and I said 'I am the Second Coming'. It felt as if the words soared across the night skies, and I spoke in realisation of what they meant ' ... the Alpha and the Omega' I spoke, remembering scripture and the meaning of Christ's return.

The atmosphere was eerie, strange and peaceful, I rose from my bed, feeling completely new, awoken even, I stepped from my sheets and walked out into the dawning of a new day, light dimly appearing from above, I felt released, the burden of pain and nothingness gone, I felt such inner peace and strength, that night would change the course of my life forever. For the next three months I felt common mentally ill symptoms, such as hearing voices which said they were angels, and seeing visions.

I experienced film like visions on the walls, just like watching a television screen, images and pictures, and also after hearing voices saying I was the reincarnation of Christ I was admitted into a mental hospital for admitting to my family that I believed to have once been Jesus, and now I had returned and angels were helping me.

The doctors first thought I had depression, or bi polar, then eventually they decided I had schizophrenia and that was the diagnosis, which certaily explained my delusion prior to 2000 and my experiences in 2000, which were termed as a 'relapse'. Now, in 2008, I am healthy, well and happy, living a normal life, and this event from 2000 seems a lifetime ago, I recognise I have an illness, and I am on medication and have had no more problems.

The question I have is really for people who believe in God, please don't think I am claiming to be Jesus or anything like that, I don't believe in people who say they are the son of God and simply think they are seriously misguided, but I present to you my experience as it was, but what happened? An athiest would obviously reason it was schizophrenia gripping my brain and resulting in my delusion, yet I had two further 'pychotic episodes' in 2004 and 2006 and nothing like this happened again, even in illness, in relapse I always had complete control over my words and what I was saying, but only that one night in 2000 those words came from my lips. Also I only experienced film like hallucinations in 2000.

I guess my question is, was God trying to reach me in my illness? Was it a 'born again' experience? Was it an experience in the Gnostic sense of Christ enlightenment, that Jesus lives within each of us and He showed Himself to me in my time of distress? Or was it infact, simply illness, and a loss of all reality?

Thank you for reading this post, it is appreciated.
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
Wow that's quite a first post!

What do you think?

I'm serious here, I think interpretation by the one doing the experiencing is the better one.

But be careful in adding to an experience such as this any previous notions that you may have. It sounds to me more that it could be a mix of both, considering the state you were in at the time. It could have been a spiritual experience in the beginning, and you may have (with a little help from imagery from other sources) added a whole lot more on to it, either consciously or subconsciously.

And like you ask: "was it a loss of all reality?" Maybe it was a loss of the reality that you knew, and you weren't quite ready, or you felt like something was supposed to happen or you just simply were unsure and needed to add something to it that you knew and that you could comprehend easily.

There are alot of things that factor into it, and I think you're the best to answer it!

Hope that helps!

EDIT: oh! and welcome to the forums!
 

kai

ragamuffin
i dont know but why would you have to be ill for god the reach you? fascinating stuff though
 
Thank you very much to both of you for reading my post, I really appreciate it, and your responses are already making me think so thank you. I put pretty much put the same post on a myspace forum and the first reply I got was that I wasn't being honest with my claims, which I could only reply that I put up to the best of my memory my experience, and that I was really being completely honest with my description, though forgive me for my often flamboyant descriptions (I am a songwriter and creative lol).

Firstly, what do I think? It's hard for me, because I know what I experienced, and I know when I spoke these words that I momentarily lost all control of my speech, the nearest feeling I have had about it in these past 8 years since this happened to me, I have thought that maybe it was Jesus or God speaking through me somehow, using my own words to reach me in my darkness, and that would be really hard to accept for an athiest maybe, or even a believer, I don't know, I've never asked anyone to find out, I still find it hard to explain. The experience ended my bitterness, and from that moment on I was no longer angry, infact I was happy, and I felt completely new ... it really is hard to explain without soundy corny. You are very right with the danger of adding onto the experience, I wrote about the experience a few years later, and I consciously tried to describe what exactly happened, and I have always attempted not to distort it in my memory. It was the simple moment of pronunciation of the second coming which has alluded me - no other moment in my entire life other than this is unexplained, and I have rationally tried to dismiss it as the onset of pychosis but in later relapses nothing like it happened, only in 2000. I gave what I wrote about my experiences to my doctor a few years later and he found it interesting, which I found interesting lol, that he would find it interesting! I just thought this must be run of the mill crazy stuff to someone like him. Previous to 2000, I had known about Christianity and the basic teachings, but ideas of the second coming were not part of my understandings of Christ. After this night, I did however lose touch with reality and immagination did run away with me, later, on medication, the whole thing bemused me and only later I wondered if it was partly spiritual in nature, though entwined with my medical condition.

Why do I think I had to be ill to be reached by God? To be honest, by this night in 2000 I had for three years experienced paranio, although no external delusions such as what are known as 'positive' symptoms of the illness such as voices and hallucinations. I guess I've just reasoned that I had been experiencing illness for three years, and God had finally reached into my life at this moment in time, I don't think I had to be ill to experience this, but I think He reached me in my illness, but then again, I don't really know, it is so hard to understand. Needless to say, I don't talk about it to people, and I came on this forum just to see if anyone else had experienced anything like this or if it was a common kind of experience or anyone has more insight than myself.

Thank you.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Such experiences are not unheard of. Check out the mysticism forum on this board. And, good luck!
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Welcome to the forum! I can't answer your question, and I'm not sure any one person here can, but I would suggest reading everything you can here. There are many people with great, diverse ideas. I would also recommend the mysticism thread Sunstone suggested, along with anything else you can read on mysticism.

Also, as far as your thinking that atheists would think that you're schizophrenic, you'll find many different kinds of atheists here. I'd venture to say that most of them would assume that you are not schizophrenic. I am one of those atheists. You don't have to believe in God to allow for the possibility of logical explanations for experiences like yours. I personally don't rule out other forces beyond our current comprehension, I just don't attribute them to a theistic God.

Good luck, and I hope you find what you need here.
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
Thank you very much to both of you for reading my post, I really appreciate it, and your responses are already making me think so thank you. I put pretty much put the same post on a myspace forum and the first reply I got was that I wasn't being honest with my claims, which I could only reply that I put up to the best of my memory my experience, and that I was really being completely honest with my description, though forgive me for my often flamboyant descriptions (I am a songwriter and creative lol).
Your creativity also shows in what you say you described :d

Firstly, what do I think? It's hard for me, because I know what I experienced, and I know when I spoke these words that I momentarily lost all control of my speech, the nearest feeling I have had about it in these past 8 years since this happened to me, I have thought that maybe it was Jesus or God speaking through me somehow, using my own words to reach me in my darkness, and that would be really hard to accept for an athiest maybe, or even a believer, I don't know, I've never asked anyone to find out, I still find it hard to explain.
Like I said, this could be a mystical experience, and you've simply added "Jesus" and/or "God" to it, because that was something you could comprehend, while experiencing something incomprehensible (maybe less so further down the track)


The experience ended my bitterness, and from that moment on I was no longer angry, infact I was happy, and I felt completely new ... it really is hard to explain without soundy corny. You are very right with the danger of adding onto the experience, I wrote about the experience a few years later, and I consciously tried to describe what exactly happened, and I have always attempted not to distort it in my memory. It was the simple moment of pronunciation of the second coming which has alluded me - no other moment in my entire life other than this is unexplained, and I have rationally tried to dismiss it as the onset of pychosis but in later relapses nothing like it happened, only in 2000. I gave what I wrote about my experiences to my doctor a few years later and he found it interesting, which I found interesting lol, that he would find it interesting! I just thought this must be run of the mill crazy stuff to someone like him. Previous to 2000, I had known about Christianity and the basic teachings, but ideas of the second coming were not part of my understandings of Christ. After this night, I did however lose touch with reality and immagination did run away with me, later, on medication, the whole thing bemused me and only later I wondered if it was partly spiritual in nature, though entwined with my medical condition.
Feelin "new" is common to many mystical experiences. Along with feeling empowered and motivated and.. well.. many other positive feelings. The bit about the second coming could also be something you may have heard or glanced over without a second thought previous to that experience - something you had put somewhere in the dark recesses of your mind, only to be brought forth, because you had some vague concept of what it meant. (keep in mind, this is simply me saying what I think.. I could be entirely wrong!).

Maybe you didn't lose touch with reality... maybe you gained a whole new one.

Why do I think I had to be ill to be reached by God? To be honest, by this night in 2000 I had for three years experienced paranio, although no external delusions such as what are known as 'positive' symptoms of the illness such as voices and hallucinations. I guess I've just reasoned that I had been experiencing illness for three years, and God had finally reached into my life at this moment in time, I don't think I had to be ill to experience this, but I think He reached me in my illness, but then again, I don't really know, it is so hard to understand. Needless to say, I don't talk about it to people, and I came on this forum just to see if anyone else had experienced anything like this or if it was a common kind of experience or anyone has more insight than myself.

Thank you.
Don't HAVE to be ill to have such an experience, but being in a vulnerable state can trigger such things, as can certain illegal substances, (which I do not promote using, because it creates a dependancy on the drug to have a mystical experience - the experience can be had without them).

I'll search the threads in the Mysticism subforum for you and see if I can find a post that may help explain what I mean. And while you wait - feel free to browse them and see what you find!
 
Thank you again for your replies here guys, it is very appreciated. I've been looking at the mysticism thread and left a message on one of the posts which is about mental illness and spritual experiences.

I certainly agree that I attached Jesus and God onto what I had experienced, I had no other way of understanding the altered state of mind I was in. So yes, I can see that. I can also see that being in a vulnerable state of mind I was open to experiencing an altered state of being, which is what I experienced, so yes that is true too, so thank you for your comments. I'm learning already, so thank you.

I've checked out 'A Mystical Experience' and it is interesting, she had a sudden experience of bliss which is what I felt also in 2000. A loss of control is obviously something that is common in these kind of experiences. I've never read into mysticism before, or either know much about it. I've put up my experience in the mysticism thread section, maybe I should have put it up there originally and it is in the wrong place here I don't know, hopefully that's ok with the administrator and I haven't done anything wrong? I'm starting to think, obviously my experience was actually mystical then, that is the feedback I'm getting here on this thread and makes me wonder at the nature of what happened to me myself. So its a mystical experience?

That athiests would think of me as not a schizophrenic is interesting, although I don't understand why, I thought the obvious explanation was pychosis really, and its refreshing to think it could be something else, I'm glad I've put my experience on this post, and looking forward to any other replies.

Thank you again guys, it is appreciated.
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
Thank you again for your replies here guys, it is very appreciated. I've been looking at the mysticism thread and left a message on one of the posts which is about mental illness and spritual experiences.

I certainly agree that I attached Jesus and God onto what I had experienced, I had no other way of understanding the altered state of mind I was in. So yes, I can see that. I can also see that being in a vulnerable state of mind I was open to experiencing an altered state of being, which is what I experienced, so yes that is true too, so thank you for your comments. I'm learning already, so thank you.
You're very welcome!

I've checked out 'A Mystical Experience' and it is interesting, she had a sudden experience of bliss which is what I felt also in 2000. A loss of control is obviously something that is common in these kind of experiences. I've never read into mysticism before, or either know much about it, maybe I should put this post up in the mystical section to see what happens, maybe I put it in the wrong place? It is all very interesting.
No such thing as wrong ;) Here you'll get more than just the point of view of us mystics. There are bound to be many more ideas and many more thoughts on it!

Thank you again guys, it is appreciated.
Once again, you're very welcome. I'm glad to have met you so far! Hopefully I have much to learn from you!

Anyway, I'm off to bed, I'll check back in tomorrow morning!
 

budhabee

Member
Im really glad you shared that Danaustin. I feel for your confusion. Who wouldn't be. I truly believe you will have more of these episodes. God and Lord Jesus have already established a personal connection with you. When they wish to depart to you more strings of mystical illumination no medicine will be able to stop them. Though I would not cease taking it so follow the doctors orders. Good luck double sevens.
 

Rolling_Stone

Well-Known Member
That was a very interesting original post.

It is not uncommon for an emotional crisis to temporarily weaken or break down the barriers between Universal or Unconditioned Reality and the conditioned realm of human existence. The Unconditioned often breaks through the unconscious into the conscious, carrying with it some of the unconscious. That you were disoriented is an indication of a basically sound mind.

At least, that's the way I understand such experiences.

Except for the baggage, it is essentially no different than, say, when a cancer patient's anxieties become focused and are suddenly lifted away. (Getting "over the hump" is difficult for some patients because it's more painful than simply putting it out of your mind.)
 

Scarlett Wampus

psychonaut
I posted a response in the mysticism section before I saw this thread.

danaustin77 your experience was probably both a mystical experience and had elements of psychosis also. The sense of peace and strength you got from it is a wonderful thing and is common in many mystical experiences. Lots of people will be able to relate to that. The 'second coming' thing, well, I would be careful of that part. :)
 

Rolling_Stone

Well-Known Member
I posted a response in the mysticism section before I saw this thread.

danaustin77 your experience was probably both a mystical experience and had elements of psychosis also. The sense of peace and strength you got from it is a wonderful thing and is common in many mystical experiences. Lots of people will be able to relate to that. The 'second coming' thing, well, I would be careful of that part. :)
Interesting how different words can say essentially the same thing. ;)
 
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