Merkel

[Flankerl]

I can't help but wonder what her critics are proposing as better alternatives.

How about a politician that actually tackles the problems Germany is facing?

Sounds like a good start.

 

[LuisDantas]

How about a politician that actually tackles the problems Germany is facing?

Sounds like a good start.

It sure does. But how different would that me from Merkel, if at all?

The answer may well be very clear to you. It is not clear at all to me.

 

[Flankerl]

She's not tackling the problems compared to actually tackling the problems.

What exactly is difficult to understand about this situation?

 

[LuisDantas]

Funny thing is the so-dubbed far right were right all along when it came to mass immigration and all along they were called racist, bigots, nazis etc. Merkel finally admitted it was a huge "mistake" and now Germany is actually paying immigrants to leave. The Russians were blamed not for Merkel's defeat (obviously she won) but because she didn't get as many votes as they thought she should have. On further investigation the Germans found zero evidence of Russian involvement so they then blamed People from the United States for making far-right posts on various social media and this is the reason for the victories of the AfD. It seems their arrogance and the belief of their infallibility has blinded them to the fact that times and social currents have been changing for years so they need to find someone or something to blame. They know they are losing control and this seems to be the reason for the push for more censorship in Western countries and social media and why you shouldn't mind- Keep out the bad thoughts, close your eyes, go to sleep.

The trouble that I have with what you are saying is that you are not even attempting to address what to me is the real issue: how can one morally justify right wing positions?

 

[LuisDantas]

She's not tackling the problems compared to actually tackling the problems.

What exactly is difficult to understand about this situation?

Perhaps I am simply unaware of the specifics (which I definitely am).

But my gut feeling is that she is being blamed for troubles well outside her control that must be weathered off by whoever happens to be in charge. The criticism feels weirdly vague and far too nationalistic for me to sympathise with, at least.

Then again, I simply do not support nationalism. Ever. I am not that kind of person.

 

[Flankerl]

But my gut feeling is that she is being blamed for troubles well outside her control that must be weathered off by whoever happens to be in charge.

Who else but the leader of the Government for the last 13 years would be at fault for not tackling the problems concerning

- Pensions
- affordable housing
- too many government subsidised Jobs
- temporary work contracts
- subcontract labour
- minimum wage not being enforced
- the armed forces being a complete trainwreck
- the infrastructure falling apart
- digital infrastructure being completely abandoned

etc etc etc

All of these problems were in their infancy in 2005 or did not exist at all. Thanks to absolutely no work being done in the last 13 years OR work being done to actually aid the advancement of these problems these have spiralled into absurd proportions.


She's been in power for 13 years, who else but her is responsible? The Easter bunny?

 

[Stanyon]

The trouble that I have with what you are saying is that you are not even attempting to address what to me is the real issue: how can one morally justify right wing positions?

I did say "so-dubbed" which basically means that was someone else's social and political paintbrush to pigeonhole certain ideas, that doesn't mean that they were far right or even right wing as in the case of Marine Le Pen of France, she seemed more of a centrist if anything. The claims of nazi, racist etc. were used in Europe on more than a few occasions when dealing with politics, we even saw it spill here in the U.S. In the 2016 election. It seems just about any Euroskeptic party will be called far right at some point.
as far as your question about moral justification it will only be your own personal yardstick so what exactly, according to your own personal moral compass, do you find not defensible in your understanding of what the right is?

 

[Estro Felino]

how can one morally justify right wing positions?

It depends...some things are never justifiable. But I've never seen so many neo-fascist movements and parties on the rise in Rome. So many young people following them, and people supporting them. One wonders: how so? How did that happen?
Maybe because cities like London, Paris and Rome were safer, cleaner and more livable, 30 years ago? People remember what they were like and what they are like now...

 

[LuisDantas]

It depends...some things are never justifiable. But I've never seen so many neo-fascist movements and parties on the rise in Rome. So many young people following them, and people supporting them. One wonders: how so? How did that happen?

Fear, far as I can tell.

As is ever the case with fascism.

We are facing it here in Brazil as well.

Maybe because cities like London, Paris and Rome were safer, cleaner and more livable, 30 years ago? People remember what they were like and what they are like now...

Probably.

That does not really answer my question, though.

 

[Altfish]

Maybe because cities like London, Paris and Rome were safer, cleaner and more livable, 30 years ago? People remember what they were like and what they are like now...

I can only speak for the UK, but the cities are much more accessible and safe nowadays; Manchester is my city, 30-years ago it was run down and dangerous if you weren't careful. Biggest danger nowadays is falling in the canals.

 

[Estro Felino]

I can only speak for the UK, but the cities are much more accessible and safe nowadays; Manchester is my city, 30-years ago it was run down and dangerous if you weren't careful. Biggest danger nowadays is falling in the canals.

Fear, far as I can tell.
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The return of folkloric and anachronistic ideologies is very negative, in my opinion. This happens because the EU has deprived European countries of their sovereignty and true socialism has been replaced by elitist political agenda.

Sorry, but the EU has done nothing of the sort.
The EU is more socialist than recent UK governments, that's half the reason the mad wing of the Tory party wants out of the EU, so they can reduce Human Rights..

I don't know almost anything about the political situation of your country, which is quite different because it's not in the Eurozone.
But I do know that my country was completely disrupted by the Treaty of Maastricht, given that the so called "Center-Left" promoted privatizations of strategical sectors of economy. Through the Andreatta-Van Miert agreement Italy was forced by the EU to dismantle its own socialist system of industrial reconstruction, to undersell its assets, and the socialist party was disbanded.
A system of welfare like ours was not appreciated in the EU.

 

[Altfish]

The return of folkloric and anachronistic ideologies is very negative, in my opinion. This happens because the EU has deprives European countries of their sovereignty and true socialism has been replaced by elitist political agenda.

Sorry, but the EU has done nothing of the sort.
The EU is more socialist than recent UK governments, that's half the reason the mad wing of the Tory party wants out of the EU, so they can reduce Human Rights..

 

[Shushersbedamned]

She's not tackling the problems compared to actually tackling the problems.

What exactly is difficult to understand about this situation?

Such as?

 

[Flankerl]

Read the thread.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Read the thread.

Ypu only talked about whatt she does with her free time.

 

[Flankerl]

Who else but the leader of the Government for the last 13 years would be at fault for not tackling the problems concerning

- Pensions
- affordable housing
- too many government subsidised Jobs
- temporary work contracts
- subcontract labour
- minimum wage not being enforced
- the armed forces being a complete trainwreck
- the infrastructure falling apart
- digital infrastructure being completely abandoned

etc etc etc

All of these problems were in their infancy in 2005 or did not exist at all. Thanks to absolutely no work being done in the last 13 years OR work being done to actually aid the advancement of these problems these have spiralled into absurd proportions.


She's been in power for 13 years, who else but her is responsible? The Easter bunny?

Like I said, read the thread.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Like I said, read the thread.

So dont talk. Its not like you have anything nice to say anyway.

 

[Flankerl]

So dont talk. Its not like you have anything nice to say anyway.

I fail to see why you just ignore what I wrote 3 months ago and claim that I haven't provided problems within Germany that are her fault.

Probably your hobby.

Da gibt es nichts mehr zu sagen.

Merkels Reich in Europa ist vorbei.

Ah cringy bad German. Exactly what this thread needs.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I fail to see why you just ignore what I wrote 3 months ago and claim that I haven't provided problems within Germany that are her fault.

Probably your hobby.





Ah cringy bad German. Exactly what this thread needs.

Wow. I didn't know we were there yet. It's just that when you critisise her i would like to know very specifically your problem with exactly what, exactly what was done, exactly what you suppose should have been done...etc. i was asking a whole new question.

 

[Flankerl]

Holy crap. I literally posted a list of problems in Germany that started during her time or grew out of bounds during that time.

These are also pretty easy to understand.
Example: Not enough affordable housing.
I really wonder what could be done about this.

And no you initially didn't ask about what should be done but what was amiss.

The infrastructure is falling apart? Well I guess it might be a good idea to invest into it.
Because I kinda doubt that taking money away from the infrastructure is going to help with roads and bridges falling apart.