Messiah Complex

[Eddi]

My apologies, I read your 20 years to be from the perspective of the service, not of a patient.

I should have made that more clear

 

[GoodAttention]

I should have made that more clear

All good.

Not all involuntary admissions under mental health have an element of paranoia. People who are later diagnosed with bipolar type I disorder can have their first presentation with delusions of grandeur.

Risk of harm isn’t always “physical harm”, and the law takes that into consideration. Neglecting your child should you have delusions of grandeur is also harm.

For example, a person experiencing a delusion of grandeur could be speeding in a car thinking all the other cars will move out of their way, or that they won’t get hit, or if they do the other cars will bounce off, or they have “extra lives” like they are playing Grand Theft Auto.

It is a psychosis, but not necessarily paranoid.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

All good.

Not all involuntary admissions under mental health have an element of paranoia. People who are later diagnosed with bipolar type I disorder can have their first presentation with delusions of grandeur.

Risk of harm isn’t always “physical harm”, and the law takes that into consideration. Neglecting your child should you have delusions of grandeur is also harm.

For example, a person experiencing a delusion of grandeur could be speeding in a car thinking all the other cars will move out of their way, or that they won’t get hit, or if they do the other cars will bounce off, or they have “extra lives” like they are playing Grand Theft Auto.

It is a psychosis, but not necessarily paranoid.

Those are severe manic or psychotic episodes. Merely believing you're the second coming of Christ isn't the same.

 

[Eddi]

All good.

Not all involuntary admissions under mental health have an element of paranoia. People who are later diagnosed with bipolar type I disorder can have their first presentation with delusions of grandeur.

Risk of harm isn’t always “physical harm”, and the law takes that into consideration. Neglecting your child should you have delusions of grandeur is also harm.

For example, a person experiencing a delusion of grandeur could be speeding in a car thinking all the other cars will move out of their way, or that they won’t get hit, or if they do the other cars will bounce off, or they have “extra lives” like they are playing Grand Theft Auto.

It is a psychosis, but not necessarily paranoid.

I think the point is, being grandiose is not in itself a mental health issue

Indeed it is within the normal range of human experience

Being a bit nuts is not the same as being clinically mentally unwell

 

[GoodAttention]

I think the point is, being grandiose is not in itself a mental health issue

Indeed it is within the normal range of human experience

Being a bit nuts is not the same as being clinically mentally unwell

Having delusions of grandeur can be pathological, which, in the context of psychosis, can lead to harm.

Being grandiose is mostly annoying for the people around you.

 

[GoodAttention]

Those are severe manic or psychotic episodes. Merely believing you're the second coming of Christ isn't the same.

How does one “merely” believe they are the second coming?

If they truly believed, there is nothing “mere” about it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How does one “merely” believe they are the second coming?

If they truly believed, there is nothing “mere” about it.

Various people have claimed that and started religions over it, like the Baha'is. Just having an odd belief isn't a cause for concern unless it causes notable impairment in your daily life.

 

[Eddi]

Having delusions of grandeur can be pathological, which, in the context of psychosis, can lead to harm.

"Can" being the operative word, if with other things

Being grandiose is mostly annoying for the people around you.

Thankfully in our society we don't lock people up for being annoying!!!

 

[Eddi]

Various people have claimed that and started religions over it, like the Baha'is. Just having an odd belief isn't a cause for concern unless it causes notable impairment in your daily life.

And that's the way it should be!!

 

[GoodAttention]

Various people have claimed that and started religions over it, like the Baha'is. Just having an odd belief isn't a cause for concern unless it causes notable impairment in your daily life.

Yes, and adding to that it’s not only about impairment to yourself or the person, but also to those who are under your care or responsibility.

David Koresh is the best example.

Was he harming no one, himself, or the people around him?

Did he have a “delusion of grandeur” or only grandiose beliefs?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes, and adding to that it’s not only about impairment to yourself or the person, but also to those who are under your care or responsibility.

David Koresh is the best example.

Was he harming no one, himself, or the people around him?

I don't know enough about David Koresh to comment about him/his psychology.

 

[Eddi]

Did he have a “delusion of grandeur” or only grandiose beliefs?

He managed to build a loyal following around himself

I think that's taking things to the next level.....

 

[GoodAttention]

I don't know enough about David Koresh to comment about him/his psychology.

David Koresh should be the textbook case for “Messiah complex”, and I encourage anyone with an interest in this topic to read about him and his story.

 

[Jimmy]

No.

Oh because these thoughts, according to you, are perfectly normal right?

 

[Eddi]

David Koresh should be the textbook case for “Messiah complex”, and I encourage anyone with an interest in this topic to read about him and his story.

I don't think he is typical though

If anything he's an extreme case

In that he managed to get followers

Probably other issues there as well

 

[GoodAttention]

Oh because these thoughts, according to you, are perfectly normal right?

What thoughts?

 

[Jimmy]

Yes, and adding to that it’s not only about impairment to yourself or the person, but also to those who are under your care or responsibility.

David Koresh is the best example.

Was he harming no one, himself, or the people around him?

Did he have a “delusion of grandeur” or only grandiose beliefs?

Koresh was a criminal who happened to have a Messiah complex, nothing more.

 

[GoodAttention]

I don't think he is typical though

If anything he's an extreme case

In that he managed to get followers

Probably other issues there as well

If you have an example of a “typical” case I would love to hear of it.

Otherwise what are we discussing here?

 

[Jimmy]

What thoughts?

See post #13

 

[Jimmy]

If you have an example of a “typical” case I would love to hear of it.

Otherwise what are we discussing here?

Most messiah complexes don’t last that long.