Messiah (pbuh) important to come(come back) to Jews and Chritians ?

[Godobeyer]

The person who told you that Yehoshua was the name of God may have been a Christian. Maybe they were doing some digging into the origin of the name of Jesus.

I think Jesus is literally named after the character Yehoshua from the story of Jericho. Moses gave him this name 'Yehoshua', and he is the leader in the story of the long march around the city of Jericho. In English we call that man 'Joshua'. The Yahoshua name is also the name 'Jesus' in the Christian churches but is spoken differently in different languages. That is where we get 'Jesus' from. For Christians the life of the original Joshua walking around Jericho is one of many templates for the mission of Jesus. Technically they have the same name.

ah thanks for this information , I was confused because i thought the interviews was with JEWS only

so it's not my mistake it's there Youtube uploader mistake .

 

[Godobeyer]

That's circular logic.

ok

The Jews didn't kill any prophets AFAIK, and not all Jews weren't listening to prophets. Again, there is free-will amongst Jews as anyone else.

I don't know what you're talking about in terms of Jews killing prophets. It seems like it is an idea in the Quran that Jews killed prophets. What prophets are we talking about?

since the Quran said , so it's not true ?
I don't know , which prophets you tell me :

check the Bible :
1Ki 19:1 And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and withal how he had slain all the prophets with the sword.
1Ki 19:10 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
1Ki 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

No. Torah is considered sacred or divine and is generally considered one piece. Tanakh is Torah PLUS the writings of prophets and such. They help to expound meaning from the Torah and give historical context. Also, commentaries from major rabbis such as Maimonides and Rashi are considered insightful to.

thanks for this explaination

SO you have three books Torah and Tanakh and Talmud ?



I just a question about the issue of (G-d)

I remember that the jews used the hebrew words (Eloah,Elohim) so it's required for you to writen it like this ?

El-ah,El-him

 

[xkatz]

since the Quran said , so it's not true ?

Just like how Muslims don't consider the Bible authoritative, Jews don't consider the Quran to be authoritative.

I don't know , which prophets you tell me :

check the Bible :
1Ki 19:1 And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and withal how he had slain all the prophets with the sword.
1Ki 19:10 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
1Ki 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

I don't usually use Wiki for these type of answers, but:

According to Rabbinic tradition, Elijah's words were patently untrue (1 Kings 18:4 and 1 Kings 19:18), and since Elijah accused Israel of failing to uphold the covenant, God would require Elijah to be present at every covenant of circumcision.

SO you have three books Torah and Tanakh and Talmud ?

Sorry for the confusion, but some of the Torah is part of the Tanakh (the rest being writings of prophets and history), while some of the Torah is part of the Talmud (the rest being debates and commentary). However, ultimately the Torah is one, and is the most sacred scripture in Judaism.

I hope that makes sense.

I just a question about the issue of (G-d)

I remember that the jews used the hebrew words (Eloah,Elohim) so it's required for you to writen it like this ?

El-ah,El-him

No, elohim is simply a royal plural word that literally means "deity". It's not really considered His proper name and it's only used to indicate His divinity. When Jews speak of G-d, they use either G-d or HaShem b/c G-d's real name is considered too sacred to say outside of prayer or write outside of Torah.

 

[Sleeppy]

According to Rabbinic tradition, Elijah's words were patently untrue (1 Kings 18:4 and 1 Kings 19:18), and since Elijah accused Israel of failing to uphold the covenant, God would require Elijah to be present at every covenant of circumcision.

That's one of, if not the most interesting Rabbinic tradition I've ever heard of.. Why do the Rabbis assume the prophet Elijah lied?

 

[Godobeyer]

Just like how Muslims don't consider the Bible authoritative, Jews don't consider the Quran to be authoritative.

ok
let's suppose that you find page from Quran , and some one want to burn it because he don't believe in it ,what will be your reaction ?

I don't usually use Wiki for these type of answers, but:

accautly i don't know why you used Wiki to answser holly scriptures meaning !!!

Sorry for the confusion, but some of the Torah is part of the Tanakh (the rest being writings of prophets and history), while some of the Torah is part of the Talmud (the rest being debates and commentary). However, ultimately the Torah is one, and is the most sacred scripture in Judaism.

I hope that makes sense.

thanks for this explaination .

No, elohim is simply a royal plural word that literally means "deity". It's not really considered His proper name and it's only used to indicate His divinity. When Jews speak of G-d, they use either G-d or HaShem b/c G-d's real name is considered too sacred to say outside of prayer or write outside of Torah.

do you respect as well the world " Allah" the version arabic one ?

i find this hebrew name refer to God אֱלֹהִים

you said God name is scared , is this manner writen (G-d) found in the scared laws of Jews or it's heresy ? i mean in which verse of Torah or Talmud , God order the jews to put (-) instead of (o) in the name of God in English language ?

 

[xkatz]

ok
let's suppose that you find page from Quran , and some one want to burn it because he don't believe in it ,what will be your reaction ?

I know I wouldn't want someone mistreating a Torah, so I think it would only be fair to say the same for a Quran. However, that doesn't mean I think it's content are right. Also, I don't see many Muslims giving the Quran the same level of respect Jews give Torah scrolls, but that's just a personal observation.

do you respect as well the world " Allah" the version arabic one ?

i find this hebrew name refer to God אֱלֹהִים

Allah is almost never used by Jews (except maybe Yemeni Jews) nowadays so I don't know how that would work.

And elohim is not considered the name of G-d in Hebrew. That would be the tetragrammaton, which you aren't supposed to even say, let alone write.

you said God name is scared , is this manner writen (G-d) found in the scared laws of Jews or it's heresy ? i mean in which verse of Torah or Talmud , God order the jews to put (-) instead of (o) in the name of God in English language ?

The 3rd of the Ten Commandments is to not to take G-d's name in vain. By censoring it, you are preventing yourself from doing that.

 

[Godobeyer]

I know I wouldn't want someone mistreating a Torah, so I think it would only be fair to say the same for a Quran. However, that doesn't mean I think it's content are right. Also, I don't see many Muslims giving the Quran the same level of respect Jews give Torah scrolls, but that's just a personal observation.

Maybe that's the fault for your memory , do you forget protesters for burning Quran day ?

Allah is almost never used by Jews (except maybe Yemeni Jews) nowadays so I don't know how that would work.

you did not get my point .

Allah is arabic of God, God is English name , do you sacred them ?

And elohim is not considered the name of G-d in Hebrew. That would be the tetragrammaton, which you aren't supposed to even say, let alone write.

is not in the first mention to God in Torah is word Elohim אֱלֹהִים ?
in the first verse and in first chapiter .

Genesis 1 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

so what degreed it TO not considere as name of God ?

The 3rd of the Ten Commandments is to not to take G-d's name in vain. By censoring it, you are preventing yourself from doing that.

so most of the jews here , don't respect the 3rd commandment ? !!!

and btw , you did not anwser me about "jews killing the prophets " .

 

[outhouse]

Jews don't consider the Quran to be authoritative.

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Most of the people on the planet think the Koran is not authoritative, 5 billion of them.

 

[xkatz]

Maybe that's the fault for your memory , do you forget protesters for burning Quran day ?

No. What's your point?

you did not get my point .

Allah is arabic of God, God is English name , do you sacred them ?

I don't use ever use the Arabic b/c where I am form it is considered solely the name Muslims use for G-d. So again, I don't use it personally, so I don't know.

is not in the first mention to God in Torah is word Elohim אֱלֹהִים ?
in the first verse and in first chapiter .

Genesis 1 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

so what degreed it TO not considere as name of God ?

It is not the same as saying His name in prayer, let alone the tetragrammaton. Elohim is merely a word to signify His divinity IMO.

so most of the jews here , don't respect the 3rd commandment ? !!!

Not everyone agrees on the extent of the prohibition except that you aren't supposed to write* or say the tetragrammaton.

*Except in a Torah scroll itself

and btw , you did not anwser me about "jews killing the prophets " .

I addressed what Elijah claimed in Kings, which is the basis of your claim. So unless you have another passage from the Tanakh to give me, I rest my case.

 

[Godobeyer]

No. What's your point?

when you said this

I don't see many Muslims giving the Quran the same level of respect Jews give Torah scrolls

i said this

Maybe that's the fault for your memory , do you forget protesters for burning Quran day ?

I don't use ever use the Arabic b/c where I am form it is considered solely the name Muslims use for G-d. So again, I don't use it personally, so I don't know.

as i know the jew arabic used the world Allah .

It is not the same as saying His name in prayer, let alone the tetragrammaton. Elohim is merely a word to signify His divinity IMO.

Not everyone agrees on the extent of the prohibition except that you aren't supposed to write* or say the tetragrammaton.

*Except in a Torah scroll itself

thanks for this info

I addressed what Elijah claimed in Kings, which is the basis of your claim. So unless you have another passage from the Tanakh to give me, I rest my case.

I am still confused , Elijah is a prophet ?

if he is a prophet , why he killed other prophets ?
and how you said he "claimed " , you don't believe "his said" ?

 

[Godobeyer]

btw cool new signature and avatar

 

[Sleeppy]

I addressed what Elijah claimed in Kings, which is the basis of your claim. So unless you have another passage from the Tanakh to give me, I rest my case.

I've been looking for the source of this "Rabbinic tradition" the Wiki mentions, and cannot find it.. Are you able to locate it, and validate that it actually exists?

 

[Godobeyer]

I've been looking for the source of this "Rabbinic tradition" the Wiki mentions, and cannot find it.. Are you able to locate it, and validate that it actually exists?

that's also my notice too , why a jew answser to a question about his scriptures, by using WIKI source ?

I am still waiting an answser ,"why Jews killed the prophets ?" from credibale site .