Meteorologists harassed and threatened by conspiracy theory kooks.

[exchemist]

The nutters were always there, probably more than today. But not only weren't we unaware, but also the nutters. And that made/kept them humble. Now that they know that there are others, they proclaim their tinfoil opinions with the confidence of being in a group of "knowledgeable people". In the past it was much easier to teach them or at least shut them up.

Yes, the “empowerment of the stupid” has been one of the unfortunate side effects of the internet and social media.

 

[Viker]

I took a bus yesterday. I encountered a friendly yet very kooky woman. She was running right through every conspiracy theory possible, in respect to this thread, for the 15 minutes it took me to get back downtown. I couldn't wait to get off the bus.

 

[We Never Know]

In America's case, many are incapable of critical thinking due their religious upbringing, making them more susceptible to political indoctrination and conspiracy theories.

Was this in America?

 

[exchemist]

I took a bus yesterday. I encountered a friendly yet very kooky woman. She was running right through every conspiracy theory possible, in respect to this thread, for the 15 minutes it took me to get back downtown. I couldn't wait to get off the bus.

Do you know this Jasper Carrott monologue?:

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Was this in America?

Considering American public schools don't really teach media literacy or critical thinking yes, it happens here a lot. You need look no further than the high rate of belief in ghosts and rejecting evolution in America compared to other developed nations to see something clearly is not being done right here.

 

[Father Heathen]

Was this in America?

No, but it obviously happens here, and I've outlined why. Regardless, I don't doubt that the reasons are similar elsewhere.

 

[mangalavara]

They've started absolutely freaking out about "15 minute cities": the idea of trying to make neighbourhoods where most of your daily needs are within a 15 minute walk or bike ride from your home.

I live in a city where almost everything—grocery stores, cafés, restaurants, parks, cleaners, clothing stores, a hospital, and more—is within a 15 minute walk from my home. Different neighborhoods have this feature here. I don’t need a car to go anywhere. My life is convenient and prosperous. This makes me wonder why some people freak out about 15 minute cities.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I live in a city where almost everything—grocery stores, cafés, restaurants, parks, cleaners, clothing stores, a hospital, and more—is within a 15 minute walk from my home. Different neighborhoods have this feature here. I don’t need a car to go anywhere. My life is convenient and prosperous. This makes me wonder why some people freak out about 15 minute cities.

They think it's phase 1 of an insidious plot, and that phase 2 will involve taking away everyone's cars and requiring government permits to travel beyond your "15 minute" zone.

 

[Heyo]

They think it's phase 1 of an insidious plot, and that phase 2 will involve taking away everyone's cars and requiring government permits to travel beyond your "15 minute" zone.

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I know that that frubal never existed - but it should have.

 

[Yerda]

I live in a city where almost everything—grocery stores, cafés, restaurants, parks, cleaners, clothing stores, a hospital, and more—is within a 15 minute walk from my home. Different neighborhoods have this feature here. I don’t need a car to go anywhere. My life is convenient and prosperous. This makes me wonder why some people freak out about 15 minute cities.

We're talking about people who freak out at vaccination against disease and protecting the environment. How can anything surprise you with these oddballs?

 

[Quagmire]

I like the idea of "Tinfoil Tuesday".

What I often wonder is whether these nutters were always among us, and we were simply unaware of them before the internet gave them a voice, or whether the internet has really caused a growth in adoption of nutty ideas.

I would guess they've always been here.

I spent most of the '80s hitchhiking around the United States and I got picked up by a lot of people claiming to have some sort of special knowledge about "what the government was up to".

I think it's just human nature to want to feel like you're one step ahead of the rest of the herd.

(Which makes it really hard on those of us who actually are a step ahead of the herd *looks around to make sure the lizard people aren't listening*)

 

[mangalavara]

We're talking about people who freak out at vaccination against disease and protecting the environment. How can anything surprise you with these oddballs?

I’m not surprised with them. I was just wondering what their reasoning is.

 

[Heyo]

(Which makes it really hard on those of us who actually are a step ahead of the herd *looks around to make sure the lizard people aren't listening*)

I really like the lizard people (and even more the aliens from "They Live") - as a metaphor. It makes the differences between us common folks and "the upper ten thousand" more clear.
Just don't take it literal. That would be a way of "othering" that is one step too far.

 

[Yerda]

I’m not surprised with them. I was just wondering what their reasoning is.

It was on their facebook feed is my guess. Scientists Don't Want You To Know This, or something like that.

 

[wellwisher]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/27/world/meteorologists-conspiracy-harassment-abuse-climate-intl/index.html

This kooky war on science is getting out of hand.

One thing all these conspiracy attacks have in common, is these are attacks are against Casino Sciences, that use the same math as gambling casinos and politics. As a simple example, consider the nightly weather report. This is often wrong but people will still visit the same weather news, day after day. Is this rational? Would you buy a car from a car lot that sells lemons a few times a week? That would be irrational, yet casino math in science make that possible; buy into dogmatic proclamations to protect from uncertainty. Being wrong is now OK.

As another example, when Covid first started in the USA, we were told that masks did not work. This was mostly because there was a shortage and the limited supply needed to go to the front lines. There was a fear of hoarding and price gouging. Once masks started to appear in the supply chain, from China, now masks worked.

Later Science revealed that just wearing a mask did not always work. That did not matter to the Democrats. In hospitals, they have special mask material that electro-statically attract germs so the germs stick and are not be breathed in or out. These very efficient masks are replaced, hourly or even after a brief exposure. Having a cloth designer mask or a fake hospital blue mask, that has not been washed or changed for a week, was more there for show; trained dogs following orders to pacify fear and uncertainty.

Many people could see influence of politics on casino science, sort of morphing into something sinister, made possible by casino math; fear and uncertainty and the need for any form of direction. Back box uncertainty is the foundation of casino math, and that foundation of fear makes people too eager to accept anything that appear to appease fear. This is where Big Brother can move in and break laws under the guise of helping. As we analyze the past we can see how things morphed for the worse and unnecessary.

The way to break that bond between science and politics is to only allow rational science to establish rational dogma. Casino science needs to be subject to its own rules of uncertainty, and not allowed to become dogma. This way when casino politics tries to attach like a tick, the morph will still be called uncertainty and subject to debate. The Swamp tried to use social medial to shut down debate, to give the science of uncertainty the semblance of rational certainty and dogma, so a consensus of uncertainty could appear very certain.

 

[exchemist]

One thing all these conspiracy attacks have in common, is these are attacks are against Casino Sciences, that use the same math as gambling casinos and politics. As a simple example, consider the nightly weather report. This is often wrong but people will still visit the same weather news, day after day. Is this rational? Would you buy a car from a car lot that sells lemons a few times a week? That would be irrational, yet casino math in science make that possible; buy into dogmatic proclamations to protect from uncertainty. Being wrong is now OK.

As another example, when Covid first started in the USA, we were told that masks did not work. This was mostly because there was a shortage and the limited supply needed to go to the front lines. There was a fear of hoarding and price gouging. Once masks started to appear in the supply chain, from China, now masks worked.

Later Science revealed that just wearing a mask did not always work. That did not matter to the Democrats. In hospitals, they have special mask material that electro-statically attract germs so the germs stick and are not be breathed in or out. These very efficient masks are replaced, hourly or even after a brief exposure. Having a cloth designer mask or a fake hospital blue mask, that has not been washed or changed for a week, was more there for show; trained dogs following orders to pacify fear and uncertainty.

Many people could see influence of politics on casino science, sort of morphing into something sinister, made possible by casino math; fear and uncertainty and the need for any form of direction. Back box uncertainty is the foundation of casino math, and that foundation of fear makes people too eager to accept anything that appear to appease fear. This is where Big Brother can move in and break laws under the guise of helping. As we analyze the past we can see how things morphed for the worse and unnecessary.

The way to break that bond between science and politics is to only allow rational science to establish rational dogma. Casino science needs to be subject to its own rules of uncertainty, and not allowed to become dogma. This way when casino politics tries to attach like a tick, the morph will still be called uncertainty and subject to debate. The Swamp tried to use social medial to shut down debate, to give the science of uncertainty the semblance of rational certainty and dogma, so a consensus of uncertainty could appear very certain.

"Casino Science" is a nonsense term invented by this poster. Weather forecasting is based on real science and is generally accurate. People just tend to remember the relatively few times it is incorrect - because it is noteworthy when that happens.

Weather forecasting is not the same as climate science: the weather and the climate being quite distinct things.

The rest of this rambling post is of about the same quality as one of Trump's emanations - which in fact it rather resembles.