Out of curiosity, do you mean it?
I'm deeply disappointed by Obama. But still. Bachmann is in the same ballpark as Palin, not Obama.
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Michele Bachmann promises to ban porn if elected President....
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Out of curiosity, do you mean it?
I'm deeply disappointed by Obama. But still. Bachmann is in the same ballpark as Palin, not Obama.
Otherright
Otherright
Banning porn is not within presidential power.
Don Penguinoini
Modi.
If they ban pr0n, I don't know how I'll be able to live any more.
Yes. I was being mirthful, but from my perspective (ie, Constitutional originalist & not a leftist), Obama also said goofy & awful things.
Of course you would see it differently, since you support him....less so now though.
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Actually, Obama seems to be making a point of testing the limits of how far he can go before people see him as identical to the "right".
Which is most unfortunate, since the right seems to be in its own funny run to top itself in insanity.
But that still puts Obama in a whole different class than the likes of Palin and Bachmann. Those two are exacerbating the worst traits of the so-called right of the USA in order to attract the votes of the fearful.
Obama is running in the same direction (in a silly attempt to placate their irrational opposition, which of course only emboldens them) but he is still going towards the less extreme borders of the GOP spectrum, not the most extreme ones.
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Otherright
Otherright
I don't know which is worse, the fact that she makes the claim that she has the ability to do it, or that people are stupid enough to believe her claim. She would have about as much authority to ban porn as she would to ban music.
Porn today. Free speech tomorrow. Wait... porn is free speech.
what's next? holding hands in public?
Why not? Holding hands leads to premarital sex. For sure.
Father Heathen
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If conservative christians hate freedom so much then why are they even in this country?
Oh, I think ideologues (of any stripe) love the idea of "freedom", as long as it's defined by having the freedom to attain power in order to dictate their brand of morality. :angel2:
One would have to be far left indeed to see Obama as right.
It seems a healthier brand of insanity than the left though.
But remember that yer talk'n to a libertarian.....we own "insanity", so it's empty as an insult.
You think he's even worse than they are? There may be hope for your soul yet
Fear mongering has bi-partisan support.
The man can certainly bend with the wind. Is he flexible or just limp?
You keed?
Ah. Obama couldn't be worse than Palin or Bachmann if he made it his purpose in life to try. Which he apparently did, unfortunately.
Maybe it does, but I just don't see it.
Too flexible for my tastes, anyway.
Au contraire...from my libertarian perch, he still appears quite lefty, despite his concessions to Repubs.
"Worse" depends largely upon one's agenda. To someone on the left of Obama, certainly those 2 gals would be worse.
But for someone on the right, the opposite would be true.
I just shake my head at all prospects presented by the Big Two.
Perspective is everything....nothing is absolute in politics.
You don't see the Dems threatening that Repubs want to gut social security benefits?
I just saw an ad on MSNBC trying to scare the libs by claiming you can buy fully automatic assault rifles at US gun shows with no background check.
Such incredible dishonesty & fear mongering goes unnoticed by those who benefit from such ads.
He had a record of being a weak leader before running for prez.
I'm surprised that his fans are surprised that he turned out to be who he was all along.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Revoltingest, I understand you're a fiscal conservative, but would sacrificing people's rights, liberties and equality really be a fair trade off for economic policies you favor? Also, as an atheist, I imagine you wouldn't enjoy living under a theocracy.
Note: I do not support Bachman.
I find her repugnant.
I do not want her to be prez.
But is she worse than Obama?
There's a miserable choice to face.
I don't want to sacrifice economic, social, religious or porn liberty.
And I'm tired of seeing nincompoops in office.
(Hah! I said "poop".)
One of these days
(could be yesterday)
Silly voters will realize
Pop candidates
Will say anything
(and I mean anything)
That caters to their base
All in the name
Of getting elected
Only to fool the voters
Yet again
By empty promises
Overshadowed
By mainstream mediocrity
(Why anyone votes in national elections is beyond me. But hey, each to his/her own....)
(could be yesterday)
Silly voters will realize
Pop candidates
Will say anything
(and I mean anything)
That caters to their base
All in the name
Of getting elected
Only to fool the voters
Yet again
By empty promises
Overshadowed
By mainstream mediocrity
(Why anyone votes in national elections is beyond me. But hey, each to his/her own....)
And maybe that is what is wrong.
What surprises and troubles me is not that caricatural candidates such as Bachmann, Palin and most Reps exists. It is that being caricatural is the whole point of their campaigns, and it actually works.
When did elections become a reality show?
You are of course correct in saying that the quality criteria depend on the agenda. But it seems to me that any agenda to be taken seriously as pertinent to the higher levels of USA government ought to have certain standards in order to receive even minimal support from voters.
Alas, reality insists in proving me wrong in this regard.
Well, to answer your question directly, no, I don't see it, nor do I even see those adds. MSNBC isn't even available here except maybe by web access. I must take a look at that someday.
As for the dishonesty and fear mongering, I guess I need more info to understand why you see it that way. What is wrong with the ad?
Truth be told, I personally was basically a fan of putting an end to the insanity of GWB's rule. Or maybe I just tired of seeing the GOP in power, which is much the same thing far as I am concerned.
I fully expected the GOP to implode shortly after Obama's election. It has lost all credibility in my eyes for decades now, and GWB's presidency looked all the world like a mercy shot at its existence.
I'm still disoriented by its continued existence and newfound boldness. It greatly worries me that it still has so much support.
The alternative is to let those with a stronger afinity for the current candidates to make that choice without your participation.
That can't help but make them feel bolder and more legitimate. That is why they become ever more extreme, to the point that it is hard to make caricatures of some.
Heck, vote for Stephen Colbert at least. For all I know he is the best man for the job.
It's not wrong....it's just what is, & always will be.
It bothers me that both sides think the other side is the problem. They're reluctant to turn that critical eye towards their brethren.
Note how even you (a fountain of progressive virtue) see the problem as the mere existence of Republicans....no mention of Democrats or their extremophiles.
That other side comprises the same thing, ie, good people, bad people, smart people, dumb people, & everyone in between.
They play by the same rules & use the same tools & techniques to win office....electing the same fallible human beings.
The only real difference between people is the which side they join.
Sure, sure, there are some big philosophical differences between candidates campaigning in primaries, but by the time they
finish fighting over the fence sitters in order to win 51% of actual votes, they've staked out some pretty close middle ground.
The only real difference between the Big Two is that Dems pretend to like black folk, & Repubs pretend to like small government.
Since elections began....at least in this country. Pre-civil war electioneering history in the US is pretty fascinating in its brutality.
Whose standards? Mine? Hah!
To own a fully automatic weapon in the US requires permission of both the BATF & local law enforcement officials, plus an extensive background check.
SUMMARY OF STATE AND FEDERAL MACHINE GUN LAWS
I looked into acquiring a machine gun for museum display, but it wasn't worth the work & cost.
Anyway, the info is there for anyone to see, but lefty fear mongers find fiction more effective.
Of course you believe the Repubs are evil incarnate....you're on the other side. And I'm sure that Repubs also believe the Democrats are the problem.
It's like arguing about whether raw oysters taste good or bad....they're neither & they're both. Believing isn't reality....it's only a perspective.
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I think any fool politician who allows themselves to be hog tied into signing such drivel should be run out of town on a rail
But maybe she really does believe that as President, she should enforce this particular moral code. Damn, that's even scarier.
But maybe she really does believe that as President, she should enforce this particular moral code. Damn, that's even scarier.