Mickiel's proof of God.

[mickiel]

I thought you liked me Mickiel?

I only like people as I sense it.

And use the same formula to dislike them as well.

I sense you say this because your female. As if I am going to automatically like a woman who communicates with me, just because she is female.

No, I am not seduced by that. I am a man who has had many women, and I cannot be seduced anymore. I was once an artist in seduction myself, but I grew tired of seducing, its endless attraction and pull.

Other things has my attention now, muchless women. I will always have women, but I am in need of God. That has my intrest.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

mickiel, I do not understand why the obsecession with creating so many threads that you claim prove God, other then to taunt athiests into a debate which in my opinion does not appear to be all that challenging. Their view is about as narrow as your typical fundamentalist, aka, the athiest's nemisis. So essentially they are one in the same and cancel each other out.
On the other hand, if it is attention that you seek then I commend you on achieving that. All told, it appears as though in in all your "proof of God" threads, you have received hundreds, maybe even a thousand replies. Why not give yourself a pat on the back and move on? Declaring "proof of God" is no different then hanging a carrot in front of the donkey. They are going to go after it until they drop dead. I do hope you are smarter then that.

If there is one thing that I have learned from these forums is that there is no such thing as a typical atheist, just as there is no typical theist. Mick's posts with their proofs-that-aren't-actually-proofs are good for the forum because as well as keeping threads, and therefore subjects, on the boil, they invite argument and provide the opportunity to demonstrate ideas and even put misleading ideas to bed on both sides of the equation. Keep 'em coming, I say.

 

[Nothing]

So you have never loved but have been loved by many. Sounds contradictory but I believe you are being sincere. Therefore you must be contradictory. Not a judgement just an observation. We are all contradictory of course, but unlike most I suspect you are okay with it and I admire you for it. I have sifted through some of your posts in this thread and have concluded you have an amazing mind. It is your gift. Are you using it wisely?
Romance, proof of God?
I challange this from God's perspective (right now he is using me as His Voice)
Romantic love is not My creation, it is yours. My Love is unconditional. Romantic love, by your design is conditional and therefore not of Me. You would use this illusion you call romantic love to favor certain individuals over others. You set ideals of what this illusion of love is and be hateful towards the recipient when they fall short of the ideals you set. You would put these objects of romantic love above even Me. This is impossible and therefore an illusion. Nothing is above Me because I am Everything. I love you unconditionally. Always have and always will. I only wait for you to remember this and do the same.

 

[mickiel]

If there is one thing that I have learned from these forums is that there is no such thing as a typical atheist, just as there is no typical theist. Mick's posts with their proofs-that-aren't-actually-proofs are good for the forum because as well as keeping threads, and therefore subjects, on the boil, they invite argument and provide the opportunity to demonstrate ideas and even put misleading ideas to bed on both sides of the equation. Keep 'em coming, I say.

Well they actually are proofs to me, I understand not to many others, but I am not lying or playing a game, they are proofs to me. To my eyesight. In example, I probally will not post on it, but Alcohol is a proof of God to me. And drugs. I believe and understand that God has purposely blinded humans from his pressence, an " Active Sedation", if you will. Just keeping us purposely sedated, in a conscious sleep. I am not totally sure as to why, I have my theorys, but I think thats what he has done. Alcohol and drugs keep the human mind sedated, as does suffering, troubles, Romance, religion, politics, the list of sedation is endless.

It makes us think that proofs, are not proofs.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

In my view, Atheism is no belief in God, simple as that. It has morphed itself with evolution, combined it gives the oppisition God wanted for this time we have in human flesh. I busy myself with the things of God, although I do not know him, its just in me to do that. But I sense a " Thing Comming", and don't get me wrong, I take no sides in this, I walk alone in my views. I have treated Christians worser than I do Atheist, I represent nobody but myself.

I think we all are just dead wrong.

Peace.

Okay, it's just that I noted you spoke elsewhere about 'crushing atheist beliefs', which doesn't really tally up with atheists having 'no belief in God'. I describe myself as a sceptic because although there is no proof for God, and no contradiction in the statement 'God does not exist'', it remains the case that God is logically possible. I conclude that there is no God but must always allow for the fact that I may be wrong in my conclusions (I don't subscribe to agnosticism for reason I won't go into now). But I really cannot understand why you treat Christians and atheists with such vitriolic scorn. Are they not entitled to their beliefs - as you are?

'I think we are all just dead wrong'

That may well be a profound statement.

 

[mickiel]

So you have never loved but have been loved by many. Sounds contradictory but I believe you are being sincere. Therefore you must be contradictory. Not a judgement just an observation. We are all contradictory of course, but unlike most I suspect you are okay with it and I admire you for it. I have sifted through some of your posts in this thread and have concluded you have an amazing mind. It is your gift. Are you using it wisely?
Romance, proof of God?
I challange this from God's perspective (right now he is using me as His Voice)
Romantic love is not My creation, it is yours. My Love is unconditional. Romantic love, by your design is conditional and therefore not of Me. You would use this illusion you call romantic love to favor certain individuals over others. You set ideals of what this illusion of love is and be hateful towards the recipient when they fall short of the ideals you set. You would put these objects of romantic love above even Me. This is impossible and therefore an illusion. Nothing is above Me because I am Everything. I love you unconditionally. Always have and always will. I only wait for you to remember this and do the same.

Well I view it differently, unconditional Love is the greatest form of Romance. John 3:16, For God so Loved the world, that he gave us Jesus. Thats Romance, in my view. God Loves us, simply because he cannot help himself. Its a Romance with his children, a serious Love affair. No hate is involved. I know its a serious Romance, because I am not worthy of Gods Love, but he seriously has cared for me, and I have done nothing but sin all of my life. I have had human examples of this through women, yes. I mean they loved me reguardless.

I admit to having troubles understanding this, so I count it as serious proof of God. I just know in my heart, he has influenced many women to care for me, because I see no other reason that they would.

Peace.

 

[Morse]

Oh...

EDIT: What led you to the conclusion that I am a woman? My gender remains undisclosed.

 

[mickiel]

But I really cannot understand why you treat Christians and atheists with such vitriolic scorn. Are they not entitled to their beliefs - as you are?

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Well yes they are entitled. I don't really know, its just in me, and is comming out. I see so much deception in both groups, the Darkness has them both dead to grip. And I am determined to show that.

I have tried to leave this alone, but it is just too much a part of my consciousness, it will not leave me alone. I admire the solace of ignorance, I long for Peace of mind. I would rather not be involved with this. But things much stronger than I, pull me back into it.

Peace.

 

[Nothing]

What you and I have is a different perception of what romantic love is. You include it within unconditional love whilst I separate it. I see neither of us as right or wrong in this matter, but only a misunderstanding of perspective. What I was trying to say is that the illusion of love separates while love without condition unites.

 

[mickiel]

What you and I have is a different perception of what romantic love is. You include it within unconditional love whilst I separate it. I see neither of us as right or wrong in this matter, but only a misunderstanding of perspective. What I was trying to say is that the illusion of love separates while love without condition unites.

I understand, but yes, I include them both within the spectrum. There is no seperation in Love, it includes a vast array of what others may wish to border and disect, seperate. Illusion is just as important as reality, and God uses them both. In fact, God is a master of illusion.

Hmmm, a master of illusion. And he created satan to be that, so its his will that illusion has to do with human Love, at least for now.

Peace.

 

[cottage]

In my view, Atheism is no belief in God, simple as that. It has morphed itself with evolution,
Peace.

I'm afraid your fixation with atheists and Evolution is misplaced. They are not the necessary equal of one another, and never have been. Some atheists have no dogmatic belief in Evolution just as they have no dogmatic beliefs about God. Other atheists are more strident in their views.
Evolution is a proven scientific theory, but it is not an article of faith and so it is always subject to being disproved or reinforced by constant testing and ongoing examination and evaluation. It doesn't tell us what started the process and doesn't pretend to be self-caused. And as with all scientific theories it is conditional and can never be represented as the 'absolute truth'. So belief in God is entirely compatible with the theory as I explained earlier. And this is an honest summary, not a partisan soundbite.

 

[Nothing]

Hmmm..., I do not believe in satan nor do I believe that God is a master of illusion. On the other hand you have made it clear that you stand alone with your beliefs and I respect you for that.
If I may be so bold, I believe that YOU are the master of illusion. When God spoke to you through me, you were unphazed. Most impressive.
I usually like to get to know the mind of who I am conversing with, but I suspect in your case that could be fatal and so I will cease attempting to do so.
Something else occurred to me: If you are not the master of illusions, and I know you are not God, then perhaps you are satan. I believe that satan is an illusion, but of course, would it not take an illusion to be master of them?

 

[mickiel]

Hmmm..., .
If I may be so bold, I believe that YOU are the master of illusion. When God spoke to you through me, you were unphazed. ?

Well I am what I am, and that is nothing more than a sinner in search and need of his God, I have not progressed beyond that. I saw wisdom in some of what you said, but in my view, God didnot speak to me through you.

I need no filter from God, when my time comes, I will be spoken to directly, without human interference. Human interference, a meddling I prefer to do without.
Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

And, I have your attention.

Peace.

Yes you do.

Your posts are like car crashes you just can't look away.

Your posts are fascinating to me, i'm always interested in just how ignorant and arrogant your next posts will be. What can i say i'm a student of the human mind. You define intelligence and maturity for me by not having any.

-Q

 

[Nothing]

Suit yourself then. it has been a pleasure conversing with you though. I shall look forward to doing it again. til next time..,

 

[mickiel]

Yes you do.

Your posts are like car crashes you just can't look away.

Your posts are fascinating to me, .

-Q

Well thank you, although I do not like you, I like what you say here.

I do my best.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Suit yourself then. it has been a pleasure conversing with you though. I shall look forward to doing it again. til next time..,

I'll be here. I see a little in you.

Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

None of that was a compliment.

As usual you just took the bits you liked and ignored the rest.

There's the ignorance i was talking about.

-Q

 

[dogsgod]

Ignorance is not a simple matter to discuss, but I view only humans as having it. We have Reminiscent memory ( or Episodic memory) we have anal Retention ( or semantic memory) we thus have Ignorant Lives. The awareness of " Self" means we are ignorant of our own persona over time, a sense of who we are, our hopes and fears, as we daydream about ourselves in relation to others.

Animals do not imagine themselves as being anywherelse, or thinking of their lives over time, or introspecting in any sense, thus they are not ignorant.
Ignorance is a Proof of God's existance, and I want to go into why I believe that.

Peace.

 

[McBell]

There is more to me than meets your eye Atheist, but I promise you this; you will be one of the first to see.

Peace.

I rather doubt that.
I doubt that you are anything more than what you have thus far presented yourself as.

Though I am fairly certain you see yourself as much more than what you have presented yourself as.

But then, you cannot even get it straight that I am not an atheist.

And before you even start, I am not the least bit interested in your humpty dumpty definitions. save that bull **** for the choir.