Mickiel's proof of God.

[rojse]

What scares me is that there are people who teach their children that we were first a planet of the Apes, and then we evolved into humans. I consider that as an example of " Silly."

Peace.

Far sillier is someone who rails against a concept without even having a basic understanding of it.

 

[rojse]

Using a computer to label science a ‘superstition’. Isn’t that, like, a really really stupid thing to do????

I would have said ironic, but that works just as well.

 

[mickiel]

God Loves what he has created and you can see that Love expressed in the creation. The way the universe was weaved , shows an artist that Loves what he was doing. The way humans are constructed reveals a Romantic mind. The emotions we were given, the mind that was made within us, our Consciousness, all reveal a being with Romantic intrest in us.

I am not going to give all that to evolution, its an insult.

Peace.

Why do people walk out of a Romance with someone who loves them, because they do not care enough about the Love, they have other things on their minds. Its no different with belief in God, their consciousness is devoid of his Love for them. But God is the Don wuan, the Don will get his Loves back in his due time. Let them wander off, Gods Love is ar stake, and if he looses even one of us, he has failed to " Win over his Love."

Oh hes going to win, there is no other option with God, their is no loose with his Power. As he once turned his attention towards creating the universe and invested his power into creation, when he turns his attention to converting all of humanity, it will be the greatest pied piper event in history. And we all will flock to him.

Isaiah 45:23;" The word has gone forth from my mouth in Righteousness and will not turn back, that to me Every knee will bow, every mouth will confess and swear Allegiance to me." This is Gods sworn testement to what the ultimate destiny of all humans will be. We will bow, submit and give ourselves to him.

God has made this promise because, and ONLY because, he Complettely Loves us all.

This is the destiny of all of humanity. Its why our future is in good hands, its why its out of our hands, its why free will has nothing to do with Gods Plans.

Peace.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

None of those things are gods.


Oh yes they are, and humans worship and serve them, live their lives by them. Lust, Evolution, Science, all are vehemently adhered to, and the people who serve them willnot let go of them. They need them, believe in them, live by them, desire them, will die for them, they are gods! Our gods that we have errected, maintain and develop and follow, AND , teach our children by our example.

Peace.

Once again, none of those things are gods. Saying they are doesn't make it so.

 

[mickiel]

Once again, none of those things are gods. Saying they are doesn't make it so.

Once again we have made those things our gods, saying they are not does not change this fact. Evolution is a god to many of its believers. They believe evolution created the universe, created humanity, created the animal kingdom, thats a god by any definition.

Science is revered as a god is. People let it define their belief, explain their existence, guide their minds, and establish their being, thats a god.

When humans subtract the things asway from God, that should only be attributed to God, and add them to anythinghelse, that thing they attribute it now to, is then their god.

Peace.

 

[themadhair]

They believe evolution created the universe,…

Please explain which of the following two scenarios is correct:

1) That many scientists really do believe a biological theory concerning the diversity of life on earth created the universe.

2) You really haven’t got a clue what the words coming out of mouth even mean.

 

[mickiel]

Please explain which of the following two scenarios is correct:

1) That many scientists really do believe a biological theory concerning the diversity of life on earth created the universe.

2) You really haven’t got a clue what the words coming out of mouth even mean.

Please explain to me why I should even allow you to dictate any kind of choices to me , or dictate any terms of conversation? And why insult my intelligence by seeming to think that I would consider these terms? I hold absolutely no intrest in the god sarcasm, or those who worship it in their conversations.

It is foolish to respond to sarcasm.

Peace.

 

[themadhair]

And why insult my intelligence by seeming to think that I would consider these terms?

You insulted your own intelligent when you implied the existence of people who believed the universe was created by a biological theory concerning the diversity of life. I called you out on it. I don’t expect you to take such on board since you demonstrated an incapacity to do that time and time again.

I asked which of the two scenarios is correct. I do not believe this to be a false dichotomy, and you did not challenge it as such. So I ask it again, which of the following two scenarios is correct:

1) That many scientists really do believe a biological theory concerning the diversity of life on earth created the universe.

2) You really haven’t got a clue what the words coming out of mouth even mean.

 

[mickiel]

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I called you out on it.


2) You really haven’t got a clue what the words coming out of mouth even mean.

What in the words of reason makes you think I need respond to this insult? I don't respond to insults, your speaking with the wrong person.

You, call me out on something! You got to be kidding me. I hold no intrest in you, I don't even know you.

And the way you disrespect me, I don't care to know you.


If your going to " Call people out," at least do it respectfully.
Peace.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Once again we have made those things our gods, saying they are not does not change this fact. Evolution is a god to many of its believers.

No it's not. You apparently do not understand what evolution and/or god(s) are. Protip: Meaningful discussion is not possible without understanding the meaning of the words you use.

 

[themadhair]

What in the words of reason makes you think I need respond to this insult?

Insinuating that you haven’t got a clue what evolution is, what it entails, and that you are ignorant to the point of mistaking a biological concept for a cosmological one isn’t an insult – it is an observation.

I know it can be hard to see the difference when you are so stifled in your thinking processes by the need to feel perpetually persecuted.

If your going to " Call people out," at least do it respectfully.

Respect is earned mickiel, not given. I stand by the call out and have no problem reiterating it regardless of choice to cry disrespect and persecution.:

Which is it?
1) That many scientists really do believe a biological theory concerning the diversity of life on earth created the universe.

2) You really haven’t got a clue what the words coming out of mouth even mean.

 

[mickiel]

2) You really haven’t got a clue what the words coming out of mouth even mean.

Since you insinuate that I have not got a clue for words comming out of mouth, and rather than apologise for such an insult, you try to doctor up your insult, I have no more words for you. I willnot address you again until you apologise.

Peace.

 

[themadhair]

Since you insinuate that I have not got a clue for words comming out of mouth,

Yes. And I do so by calling out your ridiculous assertion that a theory of biology has anything to do with cosmology. I ask again which situation applies:
1) That many scientists really do believe a biological theory concerning the diversity of life on earth created the universe.

2) You really haven’t got a clue what the words coming out of mouth even mean.

and rather than apologise for such an insult,

So it is an insult to point out, albeit bluntly, that you haven’t got a ******* clue what evolution is?

[quore]I willnot address you again until you apologise.[/quote]
You have never address ANYTHING anyone has ever said to you on this forum from I can see. Your constant need to perceive everything as an insult, rather than pointing out your ridiculousness, is your problem mate.

 

[mickiel]

You have never address ANYTHING anyone has ever said to you on this forum from I can see. .

When people do not get their way with you, they go to extremes, and even then have the nerve to accuse you of extremes, such as " I have never addressed anything ever said to me on this forum." Just a blantant false accusation, and it brings me back to subject: in Romance, when people reject a Love they often resort to false accusation in order to justify their rejection.

So it is with those who have rejected Gods advances, they start lying on God, bringing false accusations against them. They are trying to " Control their Lives", get away from Gods advances, or the advances they have seen God make on others.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

 

[themadhair]

When people do not get their way with you, they go to extremes, and even then have the nerve to accuse you of extremes, such as " I have never addressed anything ever said to me on this forum." Just a blantant false accusation,

Stating something is ”just a blatant false accusation” would be somewhat more believable if you didn’t immediately follow it up by performing the same action you were accused of.

You haven’t addressed which of the following situations applies:
1) That many scientists really do believe a biological theory concerning the diversity of life on earth created the universe.

2) You really haven’t got a clue what the words coming out of mouth even mean.

 

[rojse]

Since you insinuate...

No one insinuated anything. They challenged you directly.

 

[mickiel]

So it is with those who have rejected Gods advances, they start lying on God, bringing false accusations against them. They are trying to " Control their Lives", get away from Gods advances, or the advances they have seen God make on others.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

I am convinced that when God makes an advance on a human, the human is then his from then on, and I am equally convinced that if God has not made an advance on a human, no matter what that human believes or how much they believe in God, there simply is no relationship with God there. In Romance with God, it should always be clear who is in charge.

And this is one problem many unbelievers have with the subject of " A God." If there is a God, then the unbeliever knows that he is " Lesser than God", or that a being exist that is far greater than them. And they can't handle that, its to submissive, to reducing and to much of a scale that they are not on. So they challange that, as they do any authority they encounter.

They don't know how to Love or be Loved, they must be in control. These are the type which would treat their pets better than their children, just not knowing they are confused about Love. God is Love, and all who reject him, are rejecting his Love.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

No one insinuated anything. They challenged you directly.

You have challenged me directly before, did it do you any good? You showed no respect either, and I showed you the same thing I showed the other disrespect.

If I am to be challanged, it must be done so with respect, and I will give what I demand.


Or there will be no continual conversation with me.

Peace.

 

[themadhair]

Respect is difficult to earn, and so easily lost.

 

[mickiel]

One thing which is puzzling about Romance, a person who rejects can walk away, but yet they often get jealous of another who takes on what they rejected. And this defines some of the arcane relationships bertween Atheist and believers. This is one reason why conversations between these two dynamics are often volitile. But I have discovered that once you get someone to respect you, and you respect them, then the flow of conversations changes, and very real considerations can begin.

I am reminded of " Summits between nations". Often one nation comes to the table with one agenda, to " Get what they want", and this is why many summits give no results. Romance is the same, its give and take, not just take, take and take. The art of communication can be like this, but too many approach it with selfish intent.

And this is transparent, I see through it.

Peace.