Middle East chaos spreads

[MD]

Child starvation rampant in Yemen as nation on the brink of famine

Yemen has a famine where millions risk death. This is tied in heavily with climate change and their war with Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. is expecting a 50% drop in crop yield this year due to climate change.

Do you expect more states to fall into chaos and famine in the coming years as large crop producing nations face their own shortages?

 

[JakofHearts]

Climate change aka global warming is a myth, and it is despicable to implement it into real world problems.

 

[BSM1]

Climate change aka global warming is a myth, and it is despicable to implement it into real world problems.

Watch your back, lol. You'll probably be attacked by those whose reasoning facilities have gone south.

 

[JakofHearts]

Watch your back, lol. You'll probably be attacked by those whose reasoning facilities have gone south.

I doubt the average person knows anything on the matter aside from what CNN told them to think.
I'd be interested how they would stack up their reasoning, though I hardly think it fair when logic, science and facts are on the side that global warming is a myth.

There is a noticeable paradigm shift on this issue. Australia scraped this supposed carbon tax which was intended to help the environment or whatever. I think people are "waking up" that this silly tax is pointless, and alarmists are getting called out on the lack of consistency in their interpretations of the weather with empirical evidence saying that they're talking nonsense.

 

[Terese]

when logic, science and facts are on the side that global warming is a myth.

I highly doubt your reasoning.

 

[Lyndon]

Climate change aka global warming is a myth, and it is despicable to implement it into real world problems.

The intelligence of your statements is a myth, and does not exist in reality.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I would just like to point out that it's January 20th, and it's currently 43*. Highs of mid-50's for the rest of the week, and no real snow to speak of just yet. Previous years have seen snows up to 4 feet around this time of year in my area.

So...

 

[Augustus]

Climate change aka global warming is a myth, and it is despicable to implement it into real world problems...

I doubt the average person knows anything on the matter aside from what CNN told them to think.

You seem to know nothing beyond what your preferred media outlet told you to think.

Global warming is quite obviously happening, you don't need experts and climate models to tell you that, go and travel around the world speaking to poor farmers and others who work the land. You'll hear the same message 'weather not normal', 'things never used to be this way'.

You can argue whether or not climate change is man made, but unless you are willfully stupid you can accept that the earth is currently getting warmer.

Hottest years on record: 2016, 2015, 2014, 2010, 2013, 2005, 2009

Negative effects on crops, livestock, etc happen regardless of whether or not global warming is man made. So the idea that it has no effect on 'real world problems' is moronic.

 

[YmirGF]

You seem to know nothing beyond what your preferred media outlet told you to think.

Global warming is quite obviously happening, you don't need experts and climate models to tell you that, go and travel around the world speaking to poor farmers and others who work the land. You'll hear the same message 'weather not normal', 'things never used to be this way'.

You can argue whether or not climate change is man made, but unless you are willfully stupid you can accept that the earth is currently getting warmer.

Hottest years on record: 2016, 2015, 2014, 2010, 2013, 2005, 2009

Negative effects on crops, livestock, etc happen regardless of whether or not global warming is man made. So the idea that it has no effect on 'real world problems' is moronic.

While all that it very true, Augustus, the idea that climate change is a huge problem for Yemen overlooks the fact that Yemen has been a political basket-case for a very long time now.

 

[Augustus]

Do you expect more states to fall into chaos and famine in the coming years as large crop producing nations face their own shortages?

It is quite likely. Increased migration, political/ethnic conflicts over control of food resources.

There will also likely be conflicts over water.

As shortages grow, upstream countries of major rivers will take a higher percentage of the water causing conflicts with the downstream nations. It happens to some extent these days, and will likely only get worse.

History shows that when many lack the essentials and the ties of their traditional community, bad things happen. Poverty stricken and rootless peoples have been the breeding ground of violent utopian ideologies.

In the Middle Ages the people for whom [revolutionary millenarianism] had most appeal were neither peasants firmly integrated in the life of village and manor nor artisans firmly integrated in their guilds. The lot of such people might at times be one of poverty and oppression, and at other times be one of relative prosperity and independence; they might revolt or they might accept their situation; but they were not, on the whole, prone to follow some inspired propheta in a hectic pursuit of the Millennium. These prophetae found their following, rather, where there existed an unorganized, atomized population, rural or urban or both. This was as true of Flanders and northern France in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries as of Holland and Westphalia in the sixteenth; and recent researches have shown it to have been equally true of the Bohemia of the early fifteenth century. Revolutionary millenarianism drew its strength from a population living on the margin of society – peasants without land or with too little land even for subsistence; journeymen and unskilled workers living under the continuous threat of unemployment; beggars and vagabonds – in fact from the amorphous mass of people who were not simply poor but who could find no assured and recognized place in society at all. These people lacked the material and emotional support afforded by traditional social groups; their kinship-groups had disintegrated and they were not effectively organized in village communities or in guilds; for them there existed no regular, institutionalized methods of voicing their grievances or pressing their claims. Instead they waited for a propheta to bind them together in a group of their own... But the rootless poor were not only shaken by those specific calamities or upheavals that directly affected their material lot – they were also peculiarly sensitive to the less dramatic but equally relentless processes which, generation after generation, gradually disrupted the framework of authority within which medieval life had for a time been contained.

Cohn, Norman. The Pursuit Of The Millennium: Revolutionary Millenarians and Mystical Anarchists of the Middle Ages

 

[Laika]

Child starvation rampant in Yemen as nation on the brink of famine

Yemen has a famine where millions risk death. This is tied in heavily with climate change and their war with Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. is expecting a 50% drop in crop yield this year due to climate change.

Do you expect more states to fall into chaos and famine in the coming years as large crop producing nations face their own shortages?

Yes. I'm expecting that I will grow up to see climate change go above two degrees now. The resulting chaos will be no doubt be "unpleasant" to use a very British understatement.

 

[JakofHearts]

This narrative that global warming is the reason for terrorism diverts attention from the real threats and concerns. Climate changes occur, no one dismisses that, but world threatening changes because of man is alarmist drivel to scare people to pay carbon taxes and to heed to politicized agendas.

With Trump and other countries coming around, this paradigm shift will view global warming as nothing more than sensationalized news and prioritize on real world problems.

 

[Laika]

This narrative that global warming is the reason for terrorism diverts attention from the real threats and concerns. Climate changes occur, no one dismisses that, but world threatening changes because of man is alarmist drivel to scare people to pay carbon taxes and to heed to politicized agendas.

With Trump and other countries coming around, this paradigm shift will view global warming as nothing more than a sensationalized news and prioritize on real world problems.

On the second paragraph, I agree with you. The shift to the right is producing a paradigm shift on how we evaluate private property and personal liberty as taking precedence over action on climate change. The deniers have all but won at this point in frustrating attempts to do anything.

The chances of responding to climate change have fallen dramatically with Trump in the White House. It is possible stuff could still be done but the lack of U.S. Leadership on this issue will be pretty fatal. I mean the environmental movement has to take a big, hard look at itself and start over as there isn't a "quick fix" to prevent this anymore.

 

[Augustus]

While all that it very true, Augustus, the idea that climate change is a huge problem for Yemen overlooks the fact that Yemen has been a political basket-case for a very long time now.

I didn't mention Yemen. Was just a general point. There may be conflicts caused by global warming, and there may be conflicts where the effects are exacerbated by GW, I would imagine Yemen falls into the latter but can't say I've paid much attention to the latest events in Yemeni agriculture.

Talking of climate change in the Arabian peninsula though (and linking to my previous post about violent Millenarianism)...

There is a line of argument that climate could have been behind the rise of Islam. Early proto-Muslims used the terms believers and emigrants to refer to themselves (rather than Muslims), and that the emigration was as a result of changing climate disrupting the traditional way of life.

The theory is a bit too speculative for my liking, but even if it is not true in this case there are analogues in many other times and places.

 

[Kirran]

I don't think anyone's saying that climate change is the cause of terrorism. A variety of intersecting factors contribute. Social and economic upheaval, caused by Western and Eastern foreign policy, by climate change, by ongoing social stratification, by displacement, by corruption, by wars and so on, are a big part of it, combined with successful preaching by Islamists, anti-Semites, Jihadists, etc (these are by no means mutually exclusive categories!) in a social environment which is dominated by reactionary and conservative sentiments. I think that homophobia is a significant contributor, actually. Quite a lot of that anger and need for redemption comes from internalised homophobia by young gay Muslims who are taught their natural inclinations are evil.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I doubt the average person knows anything on the matter aside from what CNN told them to think.
I'd be interested how they would stack up their reasoning, though I hardly think it fair when logic, science and facts are on the side that global warming is a myth.

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Absolute rubbish ---> ignore-list​

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