Migrant children say they've been forcibly drugged, handcuffed, and abused

[Quetzal]

Government contractors, including Texas' Shiloh Treatment Center and Virginia's Shenandoah Valley Juvenile Center, have been accused of abusing children and overprescribing psychotropic drugs, with court documents saying one child was taking 18 drugs and 3 meal replacement shakes a day.

These drugs, allegedly prescribed often and without parental consent, can have serious and permanent side effects and many of them, the lawsuit alleges, weren't FDA-approved for use by children.

Migrant children say they've been forcibly drugged, handcuffed, and abused in US government detention

Disgusting, but I am sure the apologists will be around shortly.

 

[Revoltingest]

Disgusting, but I am sure the apologists will be around shortly.

You've changed lately.
(My spidersense tingles....anger it is.)
Has poking the hornet's nest replaced conversation?

 

[Quetzal]

You've changed lately.
(My spidersense tingles....anger it is.)
Has poking the hornet's nest replaced conversation?

You'll have to forgive me, when it comes to detaining kids and forcing them to take drugs/subject them to abuse, I get a little upset.

 

[Revoltingest]

You'll have to forgive me, when it comes to detaining kids and forcing them to take drugs/subject them to abuse, I get a little upset.

The conditions described sound horrible.
Is anyone defending them?
But I wonder if forced medication is to prevent disease.
The article is one sided, & might be accuracy challenged.

 

[Quetzal]

The conditions described sound horrible.
Is anyone defending them?
But I wonder if forced medication is to prevent disease.
The article is one sided, & might be accuracy challenged.

When you find a disease that requires they take 18 drugs a day along with tranquilizers while being handcuffed, let me know. If the accuracy is contested we can have that discussion when it occurs.

 

[Revoltingest]

When you find a disease that requires they take 18 drugs a day along with tranquilizers while being handcuffed to a bed, let me know. If the accuracy is contested we can have that discussion when it occurs.

Hey, I'm just raising some issues....not
defending handcuffing or other abuse.

 

[Quetzal]

Hey, I'm just raising some issues....not
defending handcuffing or other abuse.

I know you're not.

 

[Quetzal]

If there is such a disease I think @Revoltingest has it.

A little over the line, don't you think?

 

[fantome profane]

A little over the line, don't you think?

Just a joke. If he is offended I will apologize.

 

[BSM1]

Migrant children say they've been forcibly drugged, handcuffed, and abused in US government detention

Disgusting, but I am sure the apologists will be around shortly.

You understand what's going to happen to these kids now that Trump has sign the no takeaway order? They will be incarcerated with their parents (or whatever that person is) for the duration. Way to go, lefties.

 

[Quetzal]

You understand what's going to happen to these kids now that Trump has sign the no takeaway order? They will be incarcerated with their parents (or whatever that person is) for the duration. Way to go, lefties.

A better idea? Lift this insane "zero tolerance" mandate to those seeking asylum, which isn't even illegal to begin with. Way to go, righties. (See? I can be clever too.)

 

[Revoltingest]

If there is such a disease I think @Revoltingest has it.

It's likely true.

Just a joke. If he is offended I will apologize.

Don't you dare!

 

[Revoltingest]

A little over the line, don't you think?

He & I are on great terms lately.
I sensed only friendly mirth....but not coming on to me.

 

[BSM1]

A better idea? Lift this insane "zero tolerance" mandate to those seeking asylum, which isn't even illegal to begin with. Way to go, righties. (See? I can be clever too.)

You have (maybe unwittingly) really cut to the chase about this whole separation brouhaha. Most people could care less about the welfare of these children, what they really want is an open border with no arrest of anybody trying to get in illegally. BTW, these people "seeking asylum" could have gone to any US embassy in Mexico and applied for asylum (and please don't tell me that would have inconvenienced them).

 

[Revoltingest]

You have (maybe unwittingly) really cut to the chase about this whole separation brouhaha. Most people could care less about the welfare of these children, what they really want is an open border with no arrest of anybody trying to get in illegally. BTW, these people "seeking asylum" could have gone to any US embassy in Mexico and applied for asylum (and please don't tell me that would have inconvenienced them).

I must say that I don't know how I'd design an effective border security system which
treats people (including children) with humanity. It's easy to criticize what's wrong, but
no administration has avoided abusing people crossing the border, legally or otherwise.

 

[Quetzal]

You have (maybe unwittingly) really cut to the chase about this whole separation brouhaha. Most people could care less about the welfare of these children, what they really want is an open border with no arrest of anybody trying to get in illegally.

Okay, let's start our discussion over here because there is an opportunity to hash this a bit more. Let's remember, an attempted crossing is a misdemeanor.

The illegal entry of non-nationals into the United States is a misdemeanor according to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which prohibits non-nationals from entering or attempting to enter the United States at any time or place which has not been designated by an immigration officer, and also prohibits non-nationals from eluding inspection by immigration officers.

Illegal entry - Wikipedia

Do you think the actions of the current administration are an accurate and fair reflection of a misdemeanor charge? I am not arguing against legal action. My argument is this is blown way out of proportion for the "crime" committed.

 

[BSM1]

Okay, let's start our discussion over here because there is an opportunity to hash this a bit more. Let's remember, an attempted crossing is a misdemeanor.

Illegal entry - Wikipedia

Do you think the actions of the current administration are an accurate and fair reflection of a misdemeanor charge? I am not arguing against legal action. My argument is this is blown way out of proportion for the "crime" committed.

Unless it is the second, or subsequent, crossing attempt, then it is a felony (or if there are other actionable crimes involved, like drug smuggling).

And what happens to those that are asking for asylum at our border? They are held until a hearing can determine if they qualify. This could take years. What do we do with the kids during that time? Evidently you want them to stay incarcerated with their parents during this time. But aren't you really saying "Let's let them in and to hell with our laws"? Again, these folks can apply for asylum in various places in Mexico without the fear of having whatever minor that's with them taken away. You're being played.

 

[Quetzal]

Unless it is the second, or subsequent, crossing attempt, then it is a felony (or if there are other actionable crimes involved, like drug smuggling).

Thanks for the correction, you are right. It is on the first offense.

And what happens to those that are asking for asylum at our border? They are held until a hearing can determine if they qualify. This could take years. What do we do with the kids during that time? Evidently you want them to stay incarcerated with their parents during this time. But aren't you really saying "Let's let them in and to hell with our laws"? Again, these folks can apply for asylum in various places in Mexico without the fear of having whatever minor that's with them taken away. You're being played.

Let's assume everything you said here is accurate (it isn't, but let's pretend). This still does not justify handcuffing children, forcing them to take drugs, putting hoods over their heads, and verbally abusing them. We need reform, not child sized concentration camps. This act is barbaric and short sighted. And for what, exactly? Law? Is this worth it to you?

 

[suncowiam]

You have (maybe unwittingly) really cut to the chase about this whole separation brouhaha. Most people could care less about the welfare of these children, what they really want is an open border with no arrest of anybody trying to get in illegally. BTW, these people "seeking asylum" could have gone to any US embassy in Mexico and applied for asylum (and please don't tell me that would have inconvenienced them).

That is absolutely wrong.

People can care about these children and still oppose illegal immigration. I for one do not agree with illegal immigration being liberal.

Stop generalizing.

People make choices they believe is best for their families. You stipulate the best choice is to apply at some Mexican embassy. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe the best choice is to sneak into the country because they would suffer more where theyre from.

I have no answers or solutions but separating children from families is not the solution.

I feel that although we both are against illegal immigration the main difference is how we empathise with these immigrants. Being a refugee, I still empathise greatly in their plight. Many still just see this as black and white crime.

 

[BSM1]

Thanks for the correction, you are right. It is on the first offense.


Let's assume everything you said here is accurate (it isn't, but let's pretend). This still does not justify handcuffing children, forcing them to take drugs, putting hoods over their heads, and verbally abusing them. We need reform, not child sized concentration camps. This act is barbaric and short sighted. And for what, exactly? Law? Is this worth it to you?

You're going to have to back up this statement with reliable facts to remain credible, my friend.

That is absolutely wrong.

People can care about these children and still oppose illegal immigration. I for one do not agree with illegal immigration being liberal.

Stop generalizing.

People make choices they believe is best for their families. You stipulate the best choice is to apply at some Mexican embassy. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe the best choice is to sneak into the country because they would suffer more where theyre from.

I have no answers or solutions but separating children from families is not the solution.

I feel that although we both are against illegal immigration the main difference is how we empathise with these immigrants. Being a refugee, I still empathise greatly in their plight. Many still just see this as black and white crime.

You're being played.