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Military Service and the Presidency

Wleeper

Member
Military Service and The Presidency

We have heard a lot in the past few weeks concerning the military records of the two candidates for president. Both served in the military but only one saw combat. George Bush served in the National Guard for a period of three years but never saw combat. John Kerry served in the Navy for approximately three and a half years but was only in combat in Vietnam for four months.

George Bush ran for president on his record as a two term governor of Texas. He never used his military service for political purposes. John Kerry, however, stays clear of his nineteen year record in the Senate and is putting forth his four month tour in Vietnam as the main reason that he should be elected President of the United States. This poses several legitimate questions which deserve an honest answer.

First, is service in the National Guard somehow less honorable and patriotic than service in the active military. I spent four years in the navy as a young man, but never saw combat, and my son-in-law has spent the past 17 years in the National Guard and in December his unit is scheduled to be deployed in Iraq for 12 months. Neither of us would say he has a stronger claim on honor and patriotism and I can assure you, without any doubt, that neither of us is qualified to be President of the United States. I have had several friends who served two twelve month tours in Vietnam and none of them consider themselves to be qualified to be president either.

The second legitimate question is, “Is there any correlation between military combat experience and the ability to be an effective president?” If combat experience, no matter how short, makes one a better and more effective president, then we should look to the military to provide men to be president. History, however, does not support this contention. I thought it might prove interesting to look at our past presidents and see which ones had combat experience. I then took this information and compared it to the ranking of presidents as to their effectiveness. The results prove very interesting.

Of the forty-one men who have served as President of the United States prior to George Bush, twenty-six have had combat experience. In 1999 C-SPAN did a comprehensive ranking of U. S. President based on ten specific aspects of the presidency. The rankings were different within each of the ten categories but then the ten various rankings were combined to come up with an overall ranking. The overall ranking closely matches a ranking done by the Siena Research Institute. Based on these two studies the following statistics become very interesting.

Of the ten most effective presidents six had combat experience and four did not. Of the ten least effective presidents, six had combat experience and four did not. Of the twenty-one mediocre presidents, fourteen had combat experience and seven did not. Of the six presidents who are also considered to be among the founding fathers, three had combat experience and three did not. Of the ten wartime presidents, seven had combat experience and three did not. Finally, of the six most effective presidents, only two had combat experience.

Several conclusions can be reached from the above data. First, military combat experience has little or no effect on a man’s ability to be an effective president. Second, twenty-six or 77% of the presidents with combat experience were ranked in the middle and bottom categories when it came to presidential effectiveness. Finally, those presidents with combat experience were more likely to take the nation to war by a ratio of seven to three.

Two of the ten categories used in ranking the effectiveness of a president were moral authority and vision/setting an agenda. Of the top ten presidents in each of these two categories, eight were also in the top ten in overall effectiveness. The two categories are closely related. It is one thing to have a vision for the nation and set an agenda. It is something else to have the respect of the nation, i.e. moral authority, which will cause the people to follow the agenda. Our greatest presidents have possessed both of these qualities. Moral authority is a by-product of moral clarity. Does the person set an agenda based on conviction and stand by it, or flip-flop on issues depending on the political winds? This is clearly the question that determines the effectiveness of a president, and a test which all of our greatest presidents have passed.

The bottom line is, that when it comes to choosing a president, combat experience should not be a factor unless you are looking for someone who is likely to take the nation to war. Much more important are personal qualities like honesty, ideology, moral authority, and governing experience. Much more can be learned from a candidates voting record than can be learned from his military record. Bush has a record as Governor of Texas and three and half years as president of the United States. Kerry has a record compiled during three terms in the U. S. Senate.

George Bush’s record establishes the fact that he is a conservative but not radical. On the other hand, Kerry has clearly established a voting record as the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate today. This puts him even to the left of his mentor, Teddy Kennedy. The choice between these two men is very clear and the intelligent voter will see the difference and cast his or her vote accordingly.

Political rhetoric is cheap and there is more than enough of it during a presidential election. The intelligent voter will tune out the rhetoric and look to the character and voting records of the men running. Is the man running on his voting record or away from it? Incidentally, the least intelligent method of selecting a candidate is by voting for the party rather than the man.

May God give us, as Americans, the wisdom to choose the candidate who has the moral authority, vision and agenda that will best lead this nation during the difficult days ahead.
 
Of course Pres. Bush would not promote his military service proudly....First off, he used daddy's power and influence to jump to the top of a 10,000 name waiting list to get into the national guard. Second of all, there are large gaps missing in his military service records. third of all, he did not even have the decency to follow the rules of the National Guard by showing up for his pilots medical physical. With that background would you hold your military record up for inspection?

Kerry signed up and went to Vietnam. He paid his dues and the amount of time he spent in battle is irrelevant...at least he had the courage to go. As far as the controversy about his service and his medals...where were all his detractors when he received the medals...where were all his detractors when he ran for Senate? Why didn't the individual who claims that Kerry was not underfire on his Swift boat object to not only kerry receiving a medal but himself as well? This fellow was on another swift boat and recieved a medal for the same incident....Why didn't he refuse the medal himself if it was a pack of lies?

As for Bush's record as governor of Texas...Yes, PLEASE look at what he had done in Texas. I agree, any intelligent person would get a good idea...he left it a mess!

As for truthfulness, moral clarity and flip-flopping on issues, President Bush has consistently manipulated the truth. The reasons we went to war of Iraq has changed more times than the seasons of the year. The military service records of George Bush conveniently disappeared when questions began to be asked. Mr. Bush claims that he does not promote or support torture of prisoners yet his own White House memos discuss exactly that and addresses ways to get around the Geneva Convention. Mr. Bush stood with firefighters and police officers in NY immediately after 9/11 to show his support and sincere thanks for their efforts during that disaster but since then he and his administration has fought vigorously to deny assistance to those brave men and women who have become seriously ill from working in the 9/11 aftermath's environment. Mr. Bush's plans for homeland security is totally inadequate...while we spend billions on Iraq, our own agencies responsible for homeland secuirty have little to spend.

Just for the record, I don't particularly for Kerry but I truly fear another 4 yrs. of Bush.
For those 'Bu****es' out there, can anyone tell me specifically how Mr. Bush has made their individual life better? Since his appointment to the Presidency, has George Bush improved our standing in the eyes of the world, promoted better relations with other countries, been fiscally responsible, helped our economy, facilitated better health care or education, etc;?
 

Scott1

Well-Known Member
civilcynic said:
Kerry signed up and went to Vietnam. He paid his dues and the amount of time he spent in battle is irrelevant...at least he had the courage to go.
I agree with most of your post, but I would like to point out that it takes courage to be a member of the National Guard (Reserve etc...) as well.......

I have a lot of respect for all those who serve in uniform, and the regular Army could not survive as a fighting force without all of the support people who served in the rear areas.


Wleeper,
God bless you and your son-in-law for your service to this country!

Peace,
Scott
 

ViaRosa

New Member
Wleeper said:
Military Service and The Presidency

<snip> John Kerry, however, stays clear of his nineteen year record in the Senate and is putting forth his four month tour in Vietnam as the main reason that he should be elected President of the United States.
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May God give us, as Americans, the wisdom to choose the candidate who has the moral authority, vision and agenda that will best lead this nation during the difficult days ahead.

Interestingly enough, Kerry also steers clear of the years he put into protesting the war in Viet Nam. :rolleyes:

Even more interesting is that he is pointing to nothing in his political career as an accomplishment. All of the programs he now says he'll implement, that are so important ... well, what was he doing about them for the previous 22 years (that he's been in politics):confused: even during the eight years when "his guy" was in the Oval Office:confused:

Here in MA, we see even more of Kerry ... what he does really well, is making snippy little sound-bites about every one else, as he did about his current running mate. Nothing that can be substantiated, just mean-spirited, ad hominem type stuff --- as he did toward his current running mate during the primaries.

He's truly a man for all seasons ... when in Miami, he's touting his Jewish heritage; when speaking to Rolling Stone, he's the cool f***'n dude. He's the champion of women, who insisted that his wife change her surname and voter registration for his campaign (btw, she's still identified as Teresa Heinz on the documentation for the Heinz family foundations). And he'd never let his life-begins-at-conception conscience to interfere with his pro-choice vote.

What has Kerry done for America lately (specifically, the past 19 years)????
 
Scott....I totally agree with you in regards to the National Guard. I meant no disrespect to those who serve in the National Guard. The people who have become Guardmen should have all of our appreciation and respect...They have served us and continue to serve us whether in this country or when sent into another country with courage and distinction.
 
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