Miracles

[luvuyesua]

Poly Hedral, the most modern telescopes have been used. and if their is any more modern in the future years, the scientist being fathemed with this wil be sure to use it, (my opinion theyll probably leave surprised again.

Poly Hedral I am sure you have seen a copy of the image of the Virgen of Guadalupe, her cloak had stars in certain places, and the present technology is the source of its finding, that at that year and day and only that day has had those same positions inspace, I dont know your knowledge of astronomy but if you know much of it,you know what I am saying when I say, only that day.

the temperature tested, and nothing connected to the cloak. wouldnt you think modern technology would think of testing more time than a material like that could hold a temperature.

to disprove anything is part of the Scietists job, and it would be a huge discovery
their are many schooled professional geniouses that study how to investigate, and much high technology for them to use.

may you be blessed during many thoughts

 

[McBell]

Mestepia

interesting enough, the source went from one source to world wide.

In the early 1500s the spaniards came to mexico to impose the catholic religion, in Mexico they idolized many Gods and did many sacrifices, but that is another story, when this appearance happened to a peasant, asking the peasant to tell the catholic bishop her wishes, for a temple to be built and where, and having to take proof. you can say that the (source A ) Ill call it was the catholic church. The Mexicans began to believe and adore their mother. to this Day and Everyday. The Europeans hypothesis was that since the catholic church needed them to believe, that is why they put this image, lie. and since the technology at that time had not really grown as it would be in the future, well nobody could really test it. So the years to come after the appearance, started to prove it true, many scientists (non religious or disbelievers) fom different parts arround the world, tested it and became a source, from other religions came and became a source, many without religion,became a source, different doctors, engineers professional from all continents became a source. How long has the laser beam existed, that became a source. Technology from primitive to modern is a source and I am sure that new modern technology recorded from any part of the world will become a source. by the way another temple had to be built right next to the original not to long ago, because of the sources proving, and hundreds daily go an visit, and in December thousands, I have been their, what a good spirital experience.

kind of like what they are doing with forensic, and discovering the culprate from 50 years ago. maybe not a good analogy but technology has had its day and will continue probably

and another piece of information, that has many witnesses, the bomb I spoke about, that went off, broke the marble and windows as far as 150 meters arround, nothing happened to the glass of the frame that was less than 8 ft away, much less anything happening to the image.

is this the source you asked me to explain?


may you be blessed during any hard moments

Interesting that you do not provide any sources.

You leave me no choice but to assume that you are merely blowing smoke out your arse.

Let me know if you ever get around to providing and substance for your unsubstantiated claims.

 

[luvuyesua]

Mestemia, I dont get what you mean I started out piece by piece putting names, of professionals that have investigated, and you still asked for sources than I tell the story, of where it happened, and what technology has done, the image is in Mexico city. Elaborate, I dont acustom to blow smoke. but I dont know what you mean do you need a web site or something to see the sites that also show the investigations or........I am not trying to convince what speaks for itself. this is something well investigated, or you need more names or are you just playing? I was placing types of investigations when you still asked for the source. do you mean a person book or place?

a question, do you know the image I speak of, have you ever seen it? Virgin of Guadalupe
this is a beautiful miracle still in existence



my you find yourself blessed

 

[PolyHedral]

You mean this thing? The only miracle listed there is the 3 images of the Virgin Mary, which are trivial to build using nanotechnology.

her cloak had stars in certain places, and the present technology is the source of its finding, that at that year and day and only that day has had those same positions inspace

Um, yes. That's entirely possible. But I'm saying that you've got the cause and effect the wrong way around. The image is on the cloak because that's where the stars will be on that date, not vice versa. The position of stars in the night sky is relatively easy to predict thousands of years in the future even on modern computers. (compared to, say, protein research or image rendering) It would be trivial to do with any sort of future technology.

 

[McBell]

Mestemia, I dont get what you mean I started out piece by piece putting names, of professionals that have investigated, and you still asked for sources than I tell the story, of where it happened, and what technology has done, the image is in Mexico city. Elaborate, I dont acustom to blow smoke. but I dont know what you mean do you need a web site or something to see the sites that also show the investigations or........I am not trying to convince what speaks for itself. this is something well investigated, or you need more names or are you just playing? I was placing types of investigations when you still asked for the source. do you mean a person book or place?

a question, do you know the image I speak of, have you ever seen it? Virgin of Guadalupe
this is a beautiful miracle still in existence



my you find yourself blessed

By source I mean where did you hear it from.
Do you have links to websites that support your claims?
The names of the book(s), magazine(s), Article(s), etc you read about it?

 

[luvuyesua]

http://www.josehttp://campus.udayto...aescriva.info/article/our-lady-of-guadalupe-1
Scientists certify Our Lady of Guadalupe tilma
History of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Our Lady Of Guadalupe | A CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS | www.sancta.org this is a good time chart
Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mexico Photo Gallery by LeSon Photography at pbase.com this is agreat one start with this one, you can scan it easier.

as for my source, my mom, grandmother,great grand mother, a a child and it has been told for generations, as the bible says she will be spoke of in all generations, in our family it is. I am sure their have been magazines. Presidents have gone to see her, Hillary Clinton has gone, I am not into politics but I think some concider her a figure among other things.

 

[McBell]

http://www.josehttp://campus.udayto...aescriva.info/article/our-lady-of-guadalupe-1
Scientists certify Our Lady of Guadalupe tilma
History of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Our Lady Of Guadalupe | A CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS | www.sancta.org this is a good time chart
Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mexico Photo Gallery by LeSon Photography at pbase.com this is agreat one start with this one, you can scan it easier.

This is what I meant by sources.
Thank you.

 

[McBell]

http://www.josehttp://campus.udayto...aescriva.info/article/our-lady-of-guadalupe-1
Scientists certify Our Lady of Guadalupe tilma
History of Our Lady of Guadalupe
Our Lady Of Guadalupe | A CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS | www.sancta.org this is a good time chart
Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mexico Photo Gallery by LeSon Photography at pbase.com this is agreat one start with this one, you can scan it easier.

as for my source, my mom, grandmother,great grand mother, a a child and it has been told for generations, as the bible says she will be spoke of in all generations, in our family it is. I am sure their have been magazines. Presidents have gone to see her, Hillary Clinton has gone, I am not into politics but I think some concider her a figure among other things.

Unfortunately I have not been able to find anything to support the allegations.
hell, I cannot even look at the pictures that are so talked about....

 

[luvuyesua]

Mestemia you asked for website I give you some.
would you say the image doesnt exist?
would you say that out of the millions that go yearly, would their not be someone many times more interested in knowing the truth and investigting it?
would you think that the allegation, if disproved, the person would keep it a secret ( disproving it is worth a lot)
I think you definitely were oblivious of this miracle.
may I ask you something? if you were shown beyond a shadow of a doubt (like it has happened to others) would that contradict in any way beliefs you may have? I am not assuming what beliefs, it is just a curiosity.

on another note, your quotes are awsome, and make me smile jajaa.

may your knowledge be blessed

 

[McBell]

Mestemia you asked for website I give you some.
would you say the image doesnt exist?
would you say that out of the millions that go yearly, would their not be someone many times more interested in knowing the truth and investigting it?
would you think that the allegation, if disproved, the person would keep it a secret ( disproving it is worth a lot)
I think you definitely were oblivious of this miracle.
may I ask you something? if you were shown beyond a shadow of a doubt (like it has happened to others) would that contradict in any way beliefs you may have? I am not assuming what beliefs, it is just a curiosity.

on another note, your quotes are awsome, and make me smile jajaa.

may your knowledge be blessed

I want something other than mere claims.
They CLAIM the pictures exist.
They CLAIM that specialists have 'proven' they could not have been faked.
they CLAIM that the statue itself has been examined.
They CLAIM....
there are all manner of claims but not a single itsy bitsy teeny tiny bit of actual physical evidence to support any of it.

I find that to be extremely suspect.

 

[luvuyesua]

oh you need pictures not just names of the specialists, and scientists that examined it, okay, my sister in law is coming to stay with the later part of August, I will ask her to bring pictures if she can in her suitcase.

the claim of its existence, I and billions of others have seen her
the claims of the specialist, i dont think non believers and believers agreed to fake about this, you never have seen it on the history or Discovery channel?
I dont think I can bring somone physical to you, but if you look up the names I have given and you maybe read, they physically existed, recognised, and respected.
the studies only have discovered the miracles, and if someone could rebut it, they would have already and it would be all over the news, cause that would be quite a discovery, it would bring down the church, literally. But I will work more onthe references.

Mestemia have I told you I like reading you?


the statue what statue, than you are oblivious of its existence.
I will put this as a thread, I am sure many are oblivious to it as you are, but you have helped a lot, thank you. and I say all this in good faith.

 

[fallingblood]

CSI | ‘Miraculous’ Image of Guadalupe A little to read about how the vision of Our Lady of Guadeloupe has been debunked. An interesting fact, when Hilary Clinton did see the image, she asked who painted it. I think that says it all.

 

[luvuyesua]

This is great Falllingblood I will add this. I have a great project because I am renewing vows, and am doing a huge project that I hope doesnt take long, but this subject is great, and the rebut is great, the one of Hillary doesnt come in the picture, if you have ever gone you would know why, and they answered God if I recall right, from where she saw it, because of the bomb, that someone which the name escapes me, took flowers when you were still able to go up close, and tried to blow it up and blew up everything else, marble glass all around, but nothing happen to her image or glass, but that can be part of the discussion, to come.