Miracles ?

[sandandfoam]

A miracle is something that cannot happen by the laws of nature. For example, if after a prayer, a Christian grew a limb back, that would be a miracle. Things that already exist in nature that we cannot fully explain with science are NOT miracles, they are simply things that we cannot explain yet.

I was once taking a computer programming class and one of my programs failed to run. Even my instructor could not explain why and to this date, I simply do not know what went wrong with the program. That does not mean that this was magic or a miracle.

I understand that we all have our own defintions of everything but I don't agree with how you define miracle - your definition is too narrow for my taste. Growing arms back huh? Impossible to impress some people.
For my part lifting of eyelids continues to reveal the miraculous.

 

[Dan4reason]

I understand that we all have our own defintions of everything but I don't agree with how you define miracle - your definition is too narrow for my taste. Growing arms back huh? Impossible to impress some people.
For my part lifting of eyelids continues to reveal the miraculous.

miracle [ˈmɪrəkəl]
n 1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) an event that is contrary to the established laws of nature and attributed to a supernatural cause.

This is the definition of a miracle. When a group of people speak a language they agree on a set of words for every object, force, or idea. A language would not work if every person left their use of a word up to "taste." I will ask you to adhere to the same definition of a supernatural miracle as every other english speaker.

Eyelid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This link will show that lifting an eyelid does not violate the laws of nature.

 

[sandandfoam]

miracle [ˈmɪrəkəl]
n 1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) an event that is contrary to the established laws of nature and attributed to a supernatural cause.

This is the definition of a miracle. When a group of people speak a language they agree on a set of words for every object, force, or idea. A language would not work if every person left their use of a word up to "taste." I will ask you to adhere to the same definition of a supernatural miracle as every other english speaker.

Eyelid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This link will show that lifting an eyelid does not violate the laws of nature.

I trump your wiki with an Oxford and ask you to adhere to the same definition of miracle as the Oxford dictionary.

2. any remarkable occurance

 

[Dan4reason]

I trump your wiki with an Oxford and ask you to adhere to the same definition of miracle as the Oxford dictionary.

Lets be practical here. Words often have several definitions. For example, "funny" can mean something that is humorous or it can mean something that is suspitiously odd.

Here is the full definition of a miracle.

miracle [ˈmɪrəkəl]
n 1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) an event that is contrary to the established laws of nature and attributed to a supernatural cause
2. any amazing or wonderful event
3. a person or thing that is a marvellous example of something the bridge was a miracle of engineering
4. (Performing Arts / Theatre) short for miracle play
5. (modifier) being or seeming a miracle a miracle cure

Miracles can be amazing events or a very marvelous work. These things have nothing to do with the supernatural and do not prove God at all. In the Christian religious sense a miracle is an event which defies the laws of nature. We are talking about THESE miracles and these are the only types of miracles that have any hope of proving the existence of God.

If you disagree, show me how a miracle in a very loose sense proves the existence of God.

 

[sandandfoam]

Lets be practical here. Words often have several definitions. For example, "funny" can mean something that is humorous or it can mean something that is suspitiously odd.

Here is the full definition of a miracle.

miracle [ˈmɪrəkəl]
n 1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) an event that is contrary to the established laws of nature and attributed to a supernatural cause
2. any amazing or wonderful event
3. a person or thing that is a marvellous example of something the bridge was a miracle of engineering
4. (Performing Arts / Theatre) short for miracle play
5. (modifier) being or seeming a miracle a miracle cure

Miracles can be amazing events or a very marvelous work. These things have nothing to do with the supernatural and do not prove God at all. In the Christian religious sense a miracle is an event which defies the laws of nature. We are talking about THESE miracles and these are the only types of miracles that have any hope of proving the existence of God.

If you disagree, show me how a miracle in a very loose sense proves the existence of God.

Slow down!!

First, I never suggested that miracles or anything else 'prove' God.
Second, my point was that your defintion was too narrow for me. I take it that you concede that miraculous can extend beyond your narrow definition?
Third, I am a Christian and once again I find myself in the ironic position of being instructed by an atheist as to the nature of my beliefs. In this Christian's religious sense there is no sense to a definition which suggests transcendence of the laws of nature = for who would claim to know the laws of nature?

 

[sojourner]

Miracles can be amazing events or a very marvelous work. These things have nothing to do with the supernatural and do not prove God at all. In the Christian religious sense a miracle is an event which defies the laws of nature. We are talking about THESE miracles and these are the only types of miracles that have any hope of proving the existence of God.

If you disagree, show me how a miracle in a very loose sense proves the existence of God.

Why must God be proven? Why must the Xian religious sense of "miracle" be something that can prove God? Jesus did miracles, not to "prove God," but to heal. You seem to be of the same mind-set as Herod, who commanded Jesus to walk across his swimming pool (JCS) in order to "prove" himself. If you remember, Herod was not highly-regarded...

 

[jarofthoughts]

Isn't it 100% impossible to both exist and not exist at the same time, in the same sense? Or to be both blue and red at the same time, all over, from every perspective? Aristotle's Law of Identity, something has to be what it is at a particular point and in a particular way, and can't be something else.

Tell that to the Casimir Effect...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

 

[Dan4reason]

Why must God be proven? Why must the Xian religious sense of "miracle" be something that can prove God? Jesus did miracles, not to "prove God," but to heal. You seem to be of the same mind-set as Herod, who commanded Jesus to walk across his swimming pool (JCS) in order to "prove" himself. If you remember, Herod was not highly-regarded...

God needs to be proven because without proof the likelyhood that a judeo-Christian actually exists is infinitely small.

 

[sandandfoam]

God needs to be proven because without proof the likelyhood that a judeo-Christian actually exists is infinitely small.

a judeo-Christian or their God?:cover:

 

[sojourner]

God needs to be proven because without proof the likelyhood that a judeo-Christian actually exists is infinitely small.

God has no need to be proven. Perhaps you have a need for God to be proven, but that's a completely different issue.

Hmmm... I exist. I'm a "Judeo-Christian." Disproving God isn't going to negate my existence...

 

[Beaudreaux]

A miracle is something that cannot happen by the laws of nature. For example, if after a prayer, a Christian grew a limb back, that would be a miracle. Things that already exist in nature that we cannot fully explain with science are NOT miracles, they are simply things that we cannot explain yet.

I was once taking a computer programming class and one of my programs failed to run. Even my instructor could not explain why and to this date, I simply do not know what went wrong with the program. That does not mean that this was magic or a miracle.

I agree with you, however if a Christian grew a limb back, wouldn't we just consider that a natural phenomenon for which we did not yet have an explanation?

 

[jarofthoughts]

I think science can answer everything.
The reason we still have unexplained phenomena?
We don't have all the science yet.

 

[PolyHedral]

I agree with you, however if a Christian grew a limb back, wouldn't we just consider that a natural phenomenon for which we did not yet have an explanation?

No. It's been repeatedly tested that humans can't spontaneously regenerate limbs.

 

[logician]

Just because an event(miracle) has no explanation doesn't mean there isn't one, or one isn't forthcoming. What is consigned to "miracles" that I've seen are just random chance events.

 

[Beaudreaux]

No. It's been repeatedly tested that humans can't spontaneously regenerate limbs.

Right, but if it did happen, then there would be an observable instance of it doing so. It would be an observable phenomenon for which we did not have an explanation.

 

[silence]

A lot of you have asked what my detention of a miracle is. This is a silly question, as well as some of your replies. Some of you are saying a miracle is wrote off as science of a coincidence, which you are really answering your own question their. If it is wrote off it is not a miracle, a miracle would be something supernatural such as a man growing back a limb without medical help. This is a miracle, science wouldn't be able to explain it. If science could explain something how can that be a miracle ? It can't be!

So as not a single miracle has ever been recorded or proven, it is clear a miracle has never happened to our knowledge. So what does this say about your almighty God ? What has he been doing the last 4.5 billion years ? Or 10,000 years in some of your cases (lol).

He is clearly a lazy God

 

[nasir931]

my dear there are not only one recorded miracle there are number of miracles around you till today, only you need eyes that can see, ears that can hear, and wisdom that gives the power to think.

 

[AxisMundi]

Let's look at some examples of what many people claim are modern miracles, perhaps that will help.

Jesus on toast and Mary in a rust stain. (pretty self explainitory)

An elderly woman in TX claimed to have been dead for two hours by her family "coming back from the dead". (tho no medical official would substantiate, the woman was actually merely comatose)

Incorruptable flesh (natural mummies).

 

[javajo]

Miracles were very few and far between as far as expanses of time go in the Bible. Sometimes 400 or more years would go by without God intervening and starting a new 'thing'. The last miracles in the Bible were by Jesus and the Apostles. Jesus said if you don't believe his words, believe the miracles. Same with the Apostles. They preached the Gospel with miracles and signs following so people knew what they said was from God. Once it was all recorded, the miracles stopped, at least in the way of being confirming gifts, or sign gifts. We now have the word of those who were there. The Bible does say there will be some miracles in the very last days, and I think, we have some miracles now, just no real faith healers. The gift has ceased.

 

[nasir931]

don't you fear from Allah(GOD) who has created you and the whole universe such a vast universe, what this universe means to you is it self sustainable or some one is holding it with his power
and answer is Allah Almighty is holding all the universe with his power.
Now returning to Your Miracle question
Dear friend In the world the biggest miracle stands today is the book HOLY(NOBEL) QUR'AN
Qur'an is not a book of myths it is full of Allah's Signs, Miracles God Given To His Messengers To Make Humans Beleive, Our purpose of creation, Our purpose of presence in this world.