"Moderate" Islamic Misogynist murdered his own daughter for dating an American (in accordance w/ Sha

[angellous_evangellous]

Very well said, Daddy.

Who loves you, baby!

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Indeed it is a cultural concept from the middle east however not practiced within Christian and Jewish culture only in Hindu, Islam and Sikh faith.

Now that is interesting.

I wonder if Islam was firmly established in the area first, assimilating its custom, and the Christians and Jews came later, bringing with them their own cultures?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

In "beautiful" B.C. we are currently going through two separate trials involving members of the Sikh community. This is not just a foible of the Muslim psyche.

Not heard of those.
It is not something I associate with Sikhs. all the ones I used to work with lived a very western life style, But followed their faith in the Temple and at home.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Now that is interesting.

I wonder if Islam was firmly established in the area first, assimilating its custom, and the Christians and Jews came later, bringing with them their own cultures?

I am not sure it is even true. 'Italians and Corsicans had en equally strict protection of their females honour'.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I seem to remember that if a white girl went out with a black in the south. they were not exactly flavour of the month.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I am not sure it is even true. 'Italians and Corsicans had en equally strict protection of their females honour'.

This is a bit of a stretch. I've never heard of a group of Italians gang raping or killing a member of their family for being seen in public with another male. Women may get chastised for dating the wrong guy, but severely abused or killed? Especially today?

I just don't think that Italians or Corsicans do that, and I've never heard of such a severe attitude from them.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I seem to remember that if a white girl went out with a black in the south. they were not exactly flavour of the month.

In America?

That's racism, not an honor killing. And they killed the man who wasn't part of the family, not the woman who was.

Besides, the American South did not have the same honor/shame codes as the folks on the other side of the world.

Man, you're really stretching, Terry. I'm wondering why.

 

[astarath]

It was frowned upon and socially you were outcast but people werent killed.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

In America?

That's racism, not an honor killing. And they killed the man who wasn't part of the family, not the woman who was.

Besides, the American South did not have the same honor/shame codes as the folks on the other side of the world.

Man, you're really stretching, Terry. I'm wondering why.

The question is "the interpretation of Honour". It has been expressed in many ways round the world.

The Muslems involved seem to have taken it to an entirely new level, but the concept of imposing ones own rules (honour) on another person remains the same.

Certainly Honour killings of lovers, have taken place in Italy and causica during my life time.
The raciial/tribal problem has been the norm in many parts of the world, often ending in death for either or both parties.

At the present time the Muslims seem to have taken things to a new level, including murder and forced marriage.

However this disrespect of others rights, especially women's, is or has been known in most countries. The colour Problem was often a subset of that.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The question is "the interpretation of Honour". It has been expressed in many ways round the world.

The Muslems involved seem to have taken it to an entirely new level, but the concept of imposing ones own rules (honour) on another person remains the same.

The thing is, Terry, the term "honor killing" is a specific anthropological term used to designate a specific action. It's not subject to a universal application where the term can mean anything that someone wants it to mean.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It was frowned upon and socially you were outcast but people werent killed.

Would you put money on that......

Did you know that the American army tride to stop black soldiers fraternising with English girls, during the war.

Of course they failed, as British girls could not understand the problem. If they married the soldier he was posted elsewhere.
This is the same problem of forcing values onto other people.
They probably thought what they were doing was for the white girls Honour.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The thing is, Terry, the term "honor killing" is a specific anthropological term used to designate a specific action. It's not subject to a universal application where the term can mean anything that someone wants it to mean.

Neither the Title of the thread , nor I, in any of my replies mentioned " Honour Killing"

Of course it was mentioned in the opening post, as were many other things.
I chose to answer the broader concept, implied in things done in the name of "Honour" as I see that as the real problem.

 

[gnomon]

Honer isn't the problem in this issue.

Honor killings, as they are called, have a very specific meaning in the way in which cultures view women. This is evident in the fact that the more in these societies technically hold males to a certain standard of honor but males can buy their way out. Not the case for women. Not the case in Pakistan where former PM Bhutto attempted to highlight the nations severe problem with the maiming and killing of women over issues of honor. Not men. Women.

Last I checked the targets of violence in the history of racist attitudes towards relationships were targeted against ethnic groups. Not women.

Honor killings are about a gender specific issue in many parts of the world derived from cultures predominantly from the Middle East.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Yesterday on BBC news they reported and showed the stoning to death in Afghanistan, of a couple of young people for adultery. They stoned the girl first then the man. They had to shoot the girl later as she had not died.
This was done under sharia law in a village controlled by the Taliban.
The muller said they had no choice because it is God's law.

It reminds me of a couple of years ago when a Princess and her husband were beheaded in Saudi Arabia for marrying with out permission.

It seems that when Civil law is replaced by sharia law the true nature of Islam comes to the fore.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Neither the Title of the thread , nor I, in any of my replies mentioned " Honour Killing"

Of course it was mentioned in the opening post, as were many other things.
I chose to answer the broader concept, implied in things done in the name of "Honour" as I see that as the real problem.

Well, that's what we're talking about. When you open up "honor" to mean something else, you're simply talking about something else.

 

[ppɐʇɹnɯ]

'Italians and Corsicans had en equally strict protection of their females honour'.

Sure, it's not just Muslims. Arab Christians can be like this too. I was in a relationship with an Lebanese-American Catholic girl. Her father was pretty religious and ****** off when he found out his daughter was dating a non-Catholic, especially a former-Muslim-turned-atheist (even though I'm half Lebanese myself) and threatened to shoot both of us in the kneecaps with a shotgun if we didn't stop seeing each other.