Moderate Muslims' beliefs about homosexuality

[Me Myself]

They seem happy enough to me, it's people who look down on them that cause it.

I didn't realize you are the sole authority on what is wise or judicious.

I agree, I have close friends with different sexual alignments, and they are very natural happy people.

Nothing outstanding form their sexual inclinations, as you say, it only becomes motive of stress because of people that think they are "abnormal"

 

[Meow Mix]

We disagree on a lot of issues that can be emotional to us and touch our personal lives. For example, when we discuss "abortion" it can be emotional, but as long as the idea or the act is the concern of the discussion, then you can't blame your counterpart. I read many awful things about my religion which is my life, and I have many options of how I react to it ranging from replying to such posts to ignoring them, etc. and I realize this is the nature of this place and I can't help it.

As Tarek repeatedly said, we can love people without having sex with them. So again it's about certain sexual tendencies and practices. If love = sex to you, I guess it can't be helped.

Hi Sahar,

I've never insinuated that love = sex to me. I'm curious about where you got that idea about my outlook?

 

[Meow Mix]

Yes, if biological needs urge sb to practice sex with a child, dead body, menstruating woman, anus, feet , etc....it's still considered abnormal. If sex = love so sex can be favored with any kind of person or non-human creatures.

Sex with children and bodies is non-consensual and therefore extremely abnormal, criminal, and immoral.

Intimacy involving menstruation, the anus, or feet are certainly strange and out of the ordinary, but I don't see what morality has to do with it. What consenting adults do in their bedroom seems no business of mine or yours to me. It wouldn't be fair to impose a strictly religious taboo against such things on everyone else that doesn't share that religious taboo. Is that agreeable?

 

[Meow Mix]

I think it's apparent that homosexual sex is not so sincere nor healthy as some persons would say so. It's also not natural or normal because it's associated with devastating hazards
.I'm not attacking this idea because it differs from what I believe but as I see that it's really dangerous and destroys the society. Also, the whole idea can't depend just on a certain person's experience but to be taken globally.

All you're doing, though, is quoting "statistics" from a dubious (and clearly biased) source -- even if those statistics are accurate and representative, which I very much doubt -- it's nothing more than stereotyping. It also makes the false assumption that homosexuality is a "lifestyle." That's simply untrue.

Nothing about homosexuality is "dangerous" or "destroys society" in any aspect whatsoever. If some people who happen to be homosexual choose to live affluent and high-risk lifestyles then that has nothing to do with homosexuals any more than heterosexuals that choose affluent and high-risk lifestyles have anything to do with heterosexuals.

 

[Meow Mix]

(I snipped most of the stereotyping and dubious "statistics")

* Because homosexuals can't reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting "TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT" in their homosexual parades.

Haha, just wanted to comment that I've been in one of these, and the author of this spurious article is fairly silly if they didn't understand the inherent tongue-in-cheek nature of that chant.

So, I still think that homosexuality is not a normal behavior and that it carries so many hazards. Homosexuals suffer internally but not because of others view but because their inner pain that they reflect upon others and blame others for. Homosexuality-in my view- is a disorder like other sexual disorder and the affected person shouldn't be stigmatized but cured. Why to surrender and leave people suffer and claim that we are protecting them from psychological distress that way? Escapade doesn't solve any problem but creates more problems. The distress is from the inside not the outside but people reflect their suffering upon others for not to blame themselves and to escape from themselves, as well.

Homosexuality doesn't carry hazards. Some people who are homosexuals might choose high risk lifestyles -- just like some people who are heterosexuals do, or some people who have blonde hair do, and so on -- but homosexuality has nothing to do with causing a high-risk lifestyle any more than heterosexuality or blonde hair does.

There is nothing to be "cured." Someone with a high-risk lifestyle should indeed step away from the drugs, the dangerous promiscuity, and the general shady activities they might participate in, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality at all.

 

[Meow Mix]

I'll just simply say that a wise judicious mind would realize that males and females were created for each others and for the happiness of both. Any deviation from this way is apparently abnormal. It's like when when you say that the mouth is adapted for feeding and the nose for breathing so when you use our mouth for breathing problems arise. It's so simple and clear like this fact but people don't want to see and avert confronting their problems and mistakes.

You may say that, but I'll say that wise and judicious minds also realize that different folks want different things; and that it's strange to insist that everyone be exactly the same that you are.

 

[Me Myself]

It´s simple, we need a lot more HOMOSEXUALS so ISLAM practicioners can keep up with their level of reproduction.

There exists a population problem. It´s real.

 

[Meow Mix]

I wanted to mention that anybody can be attracted to genital organs whether of males and females because that's how it goes. But it's different totally from having sex with them as it involves emotions and sense. Sex speaks with your own souls. The sex scenes keep for long in the minds of humans and remain for a time to stimulate the brains. That's why the sex scenes should be always avoided, I mean porn and things like that. Porn may engrave these scenes in to the brains of humans and push them to do acts similar to what they see. That's because sexual scenes are so provocative and remain in the mind for while.

You have every right to decide not to watch pornographic material; but why should you be arbitrating whether or not other people do?

I can ascribe some of the false attraction towards the same sex to these scenes as a starting point for homo sex.

On what basis do you make this strange extrapolation?

However, sex is not just physical, it's totally emotional. Being aroused by the same genitals can occur normally with everyone and that doesn't mean this is same-sex attraction. However, those who leave themselves to try can easily engage in this type of sexual behavior. It's just like how other deviations from normal sexual behavior occurs.

Again, what are you basing this on? Is it just a hunch, your informal hypothesis on the affair?

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I understand your pov - but I don't see that it constitutes 'disease'.

No problem. I don't see that homosexuality constitutes a disease.

Isn't it amazing how human minds interpret the same apparent physical reality in such radically different ways -- how we use the same words to build entirely different worldviews?

I'm still startled to realize it sometimes.

I don't agree. But, for arguments sake, let's say it is simply-comfort thought - surely if it works it's a good thing? I'd take a placebo effect any day of the week if I were sick.

If people need scripture, then they need it.

I'm just pointing out that a bibliolater has little room to point fingers at the mental diseases of others.... like homosexuals.

 

[sandandfoam]

No problem. I don't see that homosexuality constitutes a disease.

Well there's one thing we agree on.

Isn't it amazing how human minds interpret the same apparent physical reality in such radically different ways -- how we use the same words to build entirely different worldviews?

I'm still startled to realize it sometimes.

I think it's great. It also makes me deeply suspicious of anyone who claims to have the Truth with a capital 'T'. I beleive that there's only subjectivity for us.

If people need scripture, then they need it.

Indeed, and I don't see that as intrinsically good or bad

I'm just pointing out that a bibliolater has little room to point fingers at the mental diseases of others.... like homosexuals

I'm not gone on pointing fingers in any direction.

 

[Photonic]

Well there's one thing we agree on.



I think it's great. It also makes me deeply suspicious of anyone who claims to have the Truth with a capital 'T'. I beleive that there's only subjectivity for us.


Indeed, and I don't see that as intrinsically good or bad


I'm not gone on pointing fingers in any direction.

Truth does exist. When I tell you that you are looking at the past when you look at the a star, I am indeed telling the Truth.

Physics is cool that way.

Or are you referring to an all encompassing Truth?

 

[sandandfoam]

Or are you referring to an all encompassing Truth?

This one.

 

[Photonic]

This one.

Ahh, my apologies.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Well there's one thing we agree on.

I'm glad to hear it. I've never been able to understand the hatred of homosexuals. I think it boils down to a fear of people who are different than we are and, like you, I think it's great that people are so different. Gays don't hurt me in any way. They don't even offend my sense of the social order.

I think it's great. It also makes me deeply suspicious of anyone who claims to have the Truth with a capital 'T'. I beleive that there's only subjectivity for us.

I figure that if anyone has the Truth, why wouldn't it be me? So I don't take seriously those who claim to have it.

Indeed, and I don't see that as intrinsically good or bad

I think it can be bad to embrace Scripture, but it depends on how one embraces it. I often ask scripturalists to explain how their attitude toward scripture differs from their attitude toward their favorite poetry. If no real difference, then I see no problem with embracing scripture. But if they see scripture as a source of Truth, rather than as inspiration, then I start feeling uneasy about it.

I'm not gone [good] on pointing fingers in any direction.

Yeah, I can see that. I was referring to those who do.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

There! Right there!

That explains this entire thread!

I tend to agree. The worshipper of Scripture can come to believe that he's not presenting his own personal opinion. Rather, he's simply recounting what God thinks about things.

But I disagree that anyone knows more about the Will of God than I do. I've spent my life chasing the Guy. Why should I believe that someone else has done a better job of sussing out God's Truth than I have?