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Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Didn't the creationists submit "human" footprints alongside dinosaur footprints as evidence fifty or sixty years ago?
Yep, and it was eventually diagnosed as being a type of hopping dinosaur whereas the human-like footprints were almost 20 feet or so apart.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The article does point out that they are no certain of the source of the prints in terms of whether it's human or not, but we also need to remember that there are numerous ape lines running around at that time-- much more than today.

Also, a 6 million year old find in Chad discovered several years ago has so many shared ape/human characteristics that the last time I read it still hadn't been classified as either. What I can't remember is whether any foot bones were found.
 

dad1

Active Member
First, there was no "global flood". There is no geological evidence, nor any historic accounts from civilizations that existed when the flood supposedly happened. The story of Noah is just a lame Gilgamesh knock-off.

The flood likely occurred somewhere around the KT layer. That is some 70 million imaginary years. The state or nature on earth was likely different than it is today, so that radioactive dating won't work for real time. Gilgamesh was post flood.
Even if previous estimates were inaccurate and have to be adjusted to reflect to new data, that doesn't disprove the theory of evolution.
Nor does it disprove the tooth fairy, so? There is no proving or disproving a fairy tale.

Besides, how does human-like feet being even older (5.7 million years) than previously thought support the creationist claim that the earth is merely 6k to 10k years old?

The idea is to show they always contradict themselves and are fund liars and wrong. The years are all wrong anyhow, but within their own little belief system, the prints do not fit.
 

dad1

Active Member
Uh... I'm pretty sure human feet won't evolve to look different in any noticable way over a mere, what, 4,000 years? Is what when you guys think the flood is?

Meanwhile there are languages, civilizations, trees and structures much older than that that don't show any signs of massive flooding...
Correct. Evolving used to be rapid though, so your point is moot. Only if evolving were slow like today would you have a point. Under the different state past laws, man lived for example about 1000 years. Plants grew fast. You cannot hold the past to today's laws.

By the way, it is possible the prints were some ape or something also, they don't really know.
 

McBell

Unbound
The flood likely occurred somewhere around the KT layer. That is some 70 million imaginary years. The state or nature on earth was likely different than it is today, so that radioactive dating won't work for real time. Gilgamesh was post flood.
Source please

Nor does it disprove the tooth fairy, so? There is no proving or disproving a fairy tale.
Yes, thus the reason the global flood is a fairy tale and evolution is not.

The idea is to show they always contradict themselves and are fund liars and wrong. The years are all wrong anyhow, but within their own little belief system, the prints do not fit.
Contradiction is irrelevant if the claims cannot be supported in the first place.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The flood likely occurred somewhere around the KT layer. That is some 70 million imaginary years. The state or nature on earth was likely different than it is today, so that radioactive dating won't work for real time. Gilgamesh was post flood.

Nor does it disprove the tooth fairy, so? There is no proving or disproving a fairy tale.



The idea is to show they always contradict themselves and are fund liars and wrong. The years are all wrong anyhow, but within their own little belief system, the prints do not fit.
What makes you think they do not fit? List your reasons. What makes it the case that finding partially bipedal hominin footprints that are 5.7 million years old in the Mediterranean which you consider a problem with the current understanding of human evolution?
I won't comment on your evidence free ridiculous ideas. So let's stick to the paper, what it says and why you consider it to be problem for us.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Trying to lump the lie in with actual science eh?
No, I believe in both scientific theories and see no problems with either so far, despite all the unsubstantiated claims to the contrary. Even by those who claim to be 117 years old.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
The flood likely occurred somewhere around the KT layer. That is some 70 million imaginary years. The state or nature on earth was likely different than it is today, so that radioactive dating won't work for real time. Gilgamesh was post flood.
Baseless, unfounded gobbledygook.

Nor does it disprove the tooth fairy, so? There is no proving or disproving a fairy tale.
Which is why your religion is still around, I guess.

The idea is to show they always contradict themselves and are fund liars and wrong. The years are all wrong anyhow, but within their own little belief system, the prints do not fit.
You clearly don't understand how science works. Unlike religion, it doesn't just pull nonsense out of it's ***, nor does it fill in gaps with preconceptions and presumptions like religion does. It takes what data is available and draws a logical conclusion from that, and if new data becomes available, adjustments are made to the conclusion.
It's moronic to reject discoveries and findings just because they contradict some ancient fables that were concocted from the imaginations of primitive savages.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Homework for Fellow non-evolution deniers. Please provide good evidence based refutation of the OP. The best response will get the winner tag and other good ones will get "like" tags. Let the labor day weekend anthropology competition begin! :p:D
I am a non-evolution denier like you but this is actually a serious subject (when you take away the religious context). I looked at the OP link and had already heard of this from another source before this. Something doesn't seem to fit current mainstream understanding,

Here's the article I had already seen before this thread. This adds to my suspicion that the past is more complicated than we know. I have now seen a list of findings that mainstream science doesn't know what to do with and they then (conveniently) get forgotten.

Fossilized Footprints in Crete

Any thoughts on this?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I am a non-evolution denier like you but this is actually a serious subject (when you take away the religious context). I looked at the OP link and had already heard of this from another source before this. Something doesn't seem to fit current mainstream understanding,

Here's the article I had already seen before this thread. This adds to my suspicion that the past is more complicated than we know. I have now seen a list of findings that mainstream science doesn't know what to do with and they then (conveniently) get forgotten.

Fossilized Footprints in Crete

Any thoughts on this?

First
By 6 million years we already have very good evidence of upright walking bipedal hominins in Ororin of Kenya.

6-Million-Year-Old Human Ancestor 1st to Walk Upright?

To figure out if the species was bipedal, Richmond and co-author William Jungers of Stony Brook University in New York measured telltale indicators of bipedalism, such as joint size and thighbone shaft strength, and compared them to other early hominin fossils, living apes, and bones from about 130 modern humans from around the world.

O. tugenensis's thighbone, or femur, was different from that of modern humans and living apes but surprisingly similar to species that lived three to four million years later.

"It really closely resembles the thighbone structure of early hominids like Australopithecus, the species that [the well-known female specimen] 'Lucy' belongs to," Richmond said.

Donald Johanson, director of the Institute of Human Origins at Arizona State University and Lucy's discoverer, agreed.

"I had occasion to see the material about five years ago in Nairobi, and I was struck by the similarities—particularly between the femur and Lucy's femur," said Johanson, who was unaffiliated with the research.

Second
Sahelanthropus fossil shows that multiple hominin species existed and had a wide distribution. They were not only limited in the East African Rift Valley but ranged through much of Central and North Africa.

Toumai is a 6-7 Million Year Old Ancient Hominoid Ancestor

Third
Between 6-5 million years Northern Africa was completely contiguous with Southern Europe. What is now Sahara was then savannah, and there was no Mediterranean Sea. The basin was dry land filled with lakes and marshes.

Messinian salinity crisis - Wikipedia

The Messinian Salinity Crisis(MSC), also referred to as the Messinian Event, and in its latest stage as the Lago Mareevent, was a geological event during which the Mediterranean Sea went into a cycle of partly or nearly complete desiccationthroughout the latter part of the Messinian age of the Miocene epoch, from 5.96 to 5.33 Ma (million years ago). It ended with the Zanclean flood, when the Atlantic reclaimed the basin.[2][1]

This massive desiccation left a deep and dry basin, reaching a depth of 3 to 5 km (1.9 to 3.1 mi) below normal sea level, with a few hypersalinepockets similar to today's Dead Sea. Then, around 5.5 Ma, less dry climatic conditions resulted in the basin receiving more freshwater from rivers, progressively filling and diluting the hypersaline lakes into larger pockets of brackish water (much like today's Caspian sea). The Messinian Salinity Crisis ended with the Strait of Gibraltar finally reopening 5.33 Ma, when the Atlantic rapidly filled up the Mediterranean basin in what is known as the Zanclean flood.[4]



Conclusion
Given the above facts, there is no reason to be surprised that several hominin species had extended their ranges into well watered and forested Mediterranean basin and Southern Europe during this 5-6 million year period.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
First, there was no "global flood". There is no geological evidence, nor any historic accounts from civilizations that existed when the flood supposedly happened. The story of Noah is just a lame Gilgamesh knock-off.

Even if previous estimates were inaccurate and have to be adjusted to reflect to new data, that doesn't disprove the theory of evolution. Besides, how does human-like feet being even older (5.7 million years) than previously thought support the creationist claim that the earth is merely 6k to 10k years old?
There is much geological evidence for a flood, you just haven't bothered to research it. Virtually all cultures around the world have flood stories about a huge global flood. You aren't very familiar with creationist thought, you seem to think all creationists are "new earthers". IF humans were existed with animals the great scientific authorities say were separated from them by multiple, multiple, multiple millions of years, wouldn't that cast a little doubt on their reliability re other issues ?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Some modern man like footprints have been found. This could easily be pre flood man prints. Man would have evolved since the flood, so changes in heel or feet could be expected. Yet science fantasizes only about some supposed ancestor to man. Besides showing their stories were wrong, it shows they have a very limited pool to draw water from intellectually.

Fossil footprints challenge established theories of human evolution

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170831134221.htm

Considering Jewish scripture gives the flood at around 3800 to 4300 years ago (approx.). And modern humans evolved around 200,000 years ago i would say its more evidence that the food as described in the bible is a fairy story.
 
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