Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

[Tiberius]

The inability to admit science doesn't know and is wildly wrong on dates and creation issues can is not an excuse to disbelieve God. Why not just admit we do what we really wanted to?

And yet you admit that you can't explain anything. Science, on the other hand, explains a lot.

 

[dad1]

No, 30 feet since the claimed time of Noah's flood, Everest or the Himalayas didn't exist at the time of the kt event. Read a history book or two.

Bingo. So if the flood was near the KT event time, that means what about claims water could not cover it?!

The evidence mounts.

 

[dad1]

Nothing vague about it, the evidence is on the nonsense you post

You retract your accusation then?

 

[dad1]

I will be happy to, but first you need to learn some of the basics.

Why are you so afraid to learn what even evidence is? Do you think that keeping yourself ignorant means that you are not lying when you make false claims?

We wait for you to post something substantive and topical.

 

[dad1]

And yet you admit that you can't explain anything. Science, on the other hand, explains a lot.

Who cares what science 'explains' unless it knows what it is talking about and has some sort of evidence? For the foundational premise of ALL far past models it has NO evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We wait for you to post something substantive and topical.

I have. Your inability to understand something does not mean that it did not happen.

Perhaps if you took me up on my offer you would be able to recognize a substantive post when you see one. Right now you are just whistling in the dark

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who cares what science 'explains' unless it knows what it is talking about and has some sort of evidence? For the foundational premise of ALL far past models it has NO evidence.

Wrong again dad, you simply do not know what is and what is not evidence.

Why are you so afraid of the concept?

 

[dad1]

So you admit that you don't know why the ratios are what we see them to be.

We all could guess. However it is high time science stopped guessing and start knowing. I have no need to guess since the bible records the way things were with some details.

The ratios are the way they are for the same reasons I assume that they now are...namely, that they were being used in some process. Now perhaps that process in the former nature was one of reconstitution rather than decay? Who knows? All science can do (poor little ignorant limited thing that it is) is look at how the nature TODAY works and then try to attribute all it sees to THAT!!! Pitiful religion.

And yet, you must claim that it's all a big coincidence that they are the values that they are.

As just explained NO. Functional. I assume that the ratios represent activity between the various components that used to go on, determined of course by the fundamental forces and laws in place in that day.

However, radioactive decay explains it perfectly.

Absurd. Modern nature only explains what is happening today. The rest is conjecture based on a blind belief nature was the same.

So you would have us abandon a testable and accurate idea in favour of your childish fairy tales.

There IS no test for what nature existed! Nothing to abandon but zealous faith based philosophy. In the bible they call that sort of thing names like...doctrines of devils. I for one do not want to be peddling that.

And you wonder why we laugh at you?

No. I don't. No more than I wonder why a little dog barks. Usually they are afraid.

 

[dad1]

Wrong again dad, you simply do not know what is and what is not evidence.

Why are you so afraid of the concept?

Thanks for dropping by again. Now you should look at posts like my last one there, and learn how to include interesting, substantive, thought provoking content.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks for dropping by again. Now you should look at posts like my last one there, and learn how to include interesting, substantive, thought provoking content.

dad, there was nothing of substance there. It was so full of ignorance and hand waving that the post bordered on idiocy.

The concept of scientific evidence is very simple. You should be able to understand it.

Once again, why are you so afraid?

 

[gnostic]

It is of no relevance how fast any current residual little moves in plates are. You claim Everest grew 30 feet since the KT layer?

No silly.

There were no Everest or the Himalayas around KT time.

KT occurred about 65 million years ago.

The Genesis Flood didn’t not occur then, nor did it ever occur during the Bronze Age of the 3rd millennium BCE...which you, yourself, had stated about 4500 years ago, meaning about 2500 BCE.

Only a VERY dishonest person think 65 million-year equals to 4500-year.

Do you understand the concept of numbers and simple arithmetic? Do you know how to count to 4500?

The calculations between Adam’s appearance and that Noah boarded the Ark (based on Genesis 5, and 7:6, which is Noah was 600 years of age when he boarded the Ark) is 1656 years.

So if Eden episode happened in, say about 4000 BCE, an equivalent of 6000 years ago, the possible dating of the Flood is about 2344 BCE.

But the Egyptians have been building pyramids since the start of the 3rd dynasty (2686 - 2613 BCE), with Djoser (reign c 2686 - c 2667 BCE), whose pyramid is called the Step Pyramid.

And that's not all; people not only built a pyramid for him. He has a funerary temple, which is dated to the same time as his Step Pyramid. And in one of chamber, housed a statue of Djoser. The purpose of this chamber (called a serdab) is because the statue is supposedly a vessel for his spirit - the ka.; the serdab protecting his statue is also protecting his spirit (ka), so that he remain as he do, in his afterlife.

(See the statue on the bottom left; that's Djoser. The other is that of Thutmose III, whom I mentioned in one of my earlier replies.)

Even Khufu’s Great Pyramid of Giza, predated Noah boarding the Ark in 2344 BCE.

And yet, Genesis stated that Egypt didn’t exist until Mizraim (Egypt), son of Ham was born AFTERTHE FLOOD, which cleared show that the author to Genesis have no idea WHEN Egypt existed, politically, culturally and historically.

These two examples of Egypt’s tomb making, predated Noah’s Flood and predated Mizraim.

Over a thousand years later, in Egypt, era known as the New Kingdom period, is the 18th dynasty. One example is Thutmose III (reign 1479 - 1425 BCE).

On the left, is the statue of Djoser (3rd dynasty, Old Kingdom), and on the right is Thutmose:

If the Flood did occur as Genesis say it did, then you would expect that pre-Flood Egypt and post-Flood Egypt should be different: different in cultures, different in styles. And yet the fashion are obviously striking similar.

The same head-gears were wore over the heads, and they both have the same style of wearing false beards.

And judging by other stuff, like writings, Old Kingdom and New Kingdom Egypt, used the same hieroglyphs and hieratic in both periods.
Man, you are unbelievably dishonest person.

Anyway back to the KT.

KT caused the mass extinction of dinosaurs, but there were no humans around. No Adam, and certainly no Noah.

KT has nothing to do with Noah's Flood.

In fact, Egypt has no Flood that killed countless lives. According to Egyptian myths, in the beginning was just primeval water called Nu, similar to Genesis 1:2, before there were dry land, before there were humans. Humans were created later, and depending on which versions, humans were created from tears of Ra, or by clay on the potter's wheel of ram-headed Khnum.

But the Egyptians have no myths of Flood killing people.

Additional note:

As to Everest, Christine stated that Everest was only 30 feet shorter than today, about 4500 years ago.

Christine wasn't talking about KT extinction. The KT didn't occur in Early Bronze Age. That's your wishful delusion, dad1.

 

[dad1]

No silly.

There were no Everest or the Himalayas around KT time.

KT occurred about 65 million years ago.

Exactly. So we do not need the flood water to cover an Everest that did not yet exist!

The Genesis Flood didn’t not occur then, nor did it ever occur during the Bronze Age of the 3rd millennium BCE...which you, yourself, had stated about 4500 years ago, meaning about 2500 BCE.

Your dates are wrong and wildly wrong. 2500 BC=70,000,000 years ago in science years probably!
Try to realize that ALL your dream dates are based on one and only one thing. Your same nature in the far past belief. NOTHING else. No date is any better than THAT ONE belief.

Only a VERY dishonest person think 65 million-year equals to 4500-year.

Not true. An honest person would suspect your religious dream dates were very bogus!

The calculations between Adam’s appearance and that Noah boarded the Ark (based on Genesis 5, and 7:6, which is Noah was 600 years of age when he boarded the Ark) is 1656 years.

Yes.

So if Eden episode happened in, say about 4000 BCE, an equivalent of 6000 years ago, the possible dating of the Flood is about 2344 BCE.

Yes, I seem to recall something like about 2500BC.

But the Egyptians have been building pyramids since the start of the 3rd dynasty (2686 - 2613 BCE), with Djoser (reign c 2686 - c 2667 BCE), whose pyramid is called the Step Pyramid.

NO!!!! Your dates are wrong. Period. You just cannot support them.

And that's not all; people not only built a pyramid for him. He has a funerary temple, which is dated to the same time as his Step Pyramid. And in one of chamber, housed a statue of Djoser. The purpose of this chamber (called a serdab) is because the statue is supposedly a vessel for his spirit - the ka.; the serdab protecting his statue is also protecting his spirit (ka), so that he remain as he do, in his afterlife.

"Dated"? Ha. Wrong!!!!

(See the statue on the bottom left; that's Djoser. The other is that of Thutmose III, whom I mentioned in one of my earlier replies.)

Even Khufu’s Great Pyramid of Giza, predated Noah boarding the Ark in 2344 BCE.

NO. Stop rattling off nonsense dates you can't stop and support. They have no reality or value or merit.

If the Flood did occur as Genesis say it did, then you would expect that pre-Flood Egypt and post-Flood Egypt should be different: different in cultures, different in styles. And yet the fashion are obviously striking similar.

All Egypt is post flood I suspect. Get over your same state past dream dating fetish.

Anyway back to the KT.

KT caused the mass extinction of dinosaurs, but there were no humans around. No Adam, and certainly no Noah.

Man could not likely leave fossilized remains in that former nature. How would you know if man lived or not, aside from your misinterpreted bones?

KT has nothing to do with Noah's Flood.

Prove it.

In fact, Egypt has no Flood that killed countless lives. According to Egyptian myths, in the beginning was just primeval water called Nu, similar to Genesis 1:2, before there were dry land, before there were humans. Humans were created later, and depending on which versions, humans were created from tears of Ra, or by clay on the potter's wheel of ram-headed Khnum.

Why would post flood people have some great flood???

 

[gnostic]

Your dates are wrong and wildly wrong. 2500 BC=70,000,000 years ago in science years probably!

You still haven’t proven this claim.

No science teach this ridiculous claims of yours.

70 million-year is “70 million-year”, not your 4500-year.

You still have cite a single source from any scientist that agree with your delusion.

You really need to go back to school, and retake maths and physics.

NO. Stop rattling off nonsense dates you can't stop and support. They have no reality or value or merit.

So you don’t think any of these pyramids and other tombs exist in Egypt. I didn’t think you were that ignorant.

Even the so-called biblical archaeologists don’t deny the age of these Bronze Age sites.

You still have cited a single source that agree with you, not even from creationists.

You don’t understand history and archaeology, and you certainly don’t understand maths and science involved.

You still don’t understand that you cannot make extraordinary claims without evidences, or at the very least cite some scientific papers that agree with your claims.

You have done neither. You have only repeated your unsubstantiated claims, without evidences, without proofs and without evidences.

But I shall ask you again:

1. Where did any scientist claimed that KT occur in the midst of Bronze Age?
2. Where are your sources?

 

[Altfish]

It really is great fun watching Creationists constantly break the 9th Commandment of their precious book. Lying for Jesus.

 

[ChristineM]

Bingo. So if the flood was near the KT event time, that means what about claims water could not cover it?!

The evidence mounts.

What? How do you pervert hebrew scripture and walk about with a straight face. Once again humans did not exist for close on 65,000,000 years after the KT event. Count the zeros and educate yourself, you are making yourself look silly.

Kt event
K/T extinction event - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Humans
Human evolution - Wikipedia


Claimed Flood
Noah's Ark - Wikipedia

Feel free to educate yourself.

 

[ChristineM]

You retract your accusation then?

I shall repeat for the hard of thinking
Nothing vague about it, the evidence is on the nonsense you post

I have provided links to your offensive post and your admission so don't play the innocent with me, people are not as thick as you want them to be

 

[ChristineM]

Exactly. So we do not need the flood water to cover an Everest that did not yet exist!
Your dates are wrong and wildly wrong. 2500 BC=70,000,000 years ago in science years probably!
Try to realize that ALL your dream dates are based on one and only one thing. Your same nature in the far past belief. NOTHING else. No date is any better than THAT ONE belief.
Not true. An honest person would suspect your religious dream dates were very bogus!
Yes.
Yes, I seem to recall something like about 2500BC.
NO!!!! Your dates are wrong. Period. You just cannot support them.


"Dated"? Ha. Wrong!!!!
NO. Stop rattling off nonsense dates you can't stop and support. They have no reality or value or merit.

All Egypt is post flood I suspect. Get over your same state past dream dating fetish.

Man could not likely leave fossilized remains in that former nature. How would you know if man lived or not, aside from your misinterpreted bones?
Prove it.
Why would post flood people have some great flood???

So sad

 

[dad1]

It really is great fun watching Creationists constantly break the 9th Commandment of their precious book. Lying for Jesus.

I would not say all scientists are creationists or even Christians actually. The lies they tell cannot be blamed on that.

 

[dad1]

What? How do you pervert hebrew scripture and walk about with a straight face. Once again humans did not exist for close on 65,000,000 years after the KT event. Count the zeros and educate yourself, you are making yourself look silly.

Name any date beyond say 5000 years that is not BASED on the assumption that radioactive decay was here in the far past also? We wait. Till then your dates are moot.

Kt event
K/T extinction event - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Humans
Human evolution - Wikipedia


Claimed Flood
Noah's Ark - Wikipedia

Feel free to educate yourself.

Do you know or care why they do not believe humans existed then? In case some lurker cares, here is the big reason...the fossil record does not include man early in the record.

If the former nature did not allow man and most animals TO be able to fossilize then, pray tell, why would we expect man in the early record exactly??

 

[dad1]

I shall repeat for the hard of thinking
Nothing vague about it, the evidence is on the nonsense you post

I have provided links to your offensive post and your admission so don't play the innocent with me, people are not as thick as you want them to be

Hilarious. So the great offense in your mind was using capitol letters!!! Get serious.