"Modernisation, yes; Westernisation, no."

[Treks]

And yet you remain silent in centuries of discrimination in colonialism, forcing indian soldiers to fight the wars of Britain, Portuguese atrocities in Goa and even on a global scale in other nations.
How many Hindus, Buddhists or Sikhs went to the west, bironing and slaughtering people to steal their wealth?

In what way have I been silent? What do you want me to say to you?

Also, you didn't answer my question.

 

[Augustus]

My question is, what is it about Western culture that other cultures are getting from the "projection of American culture" that is so offensive to them? What is it about "Westernisation" that is so threatening?

That it is 'Westernisation', i.e. foreign.

This is just what people do, they like their own culture and don't want someone elses. For example, the French complain about the Americanisation of their culture, as do the Brits. Some white people worry that their children are adopting 'black' culture. People complain that immigration is destroying 'Englishness' or 'Spanishness'.

It's not a modern phenomenon though, The Romans complained that Greek culture was making Romans effete and foppish. The Arabs that their monarchs were adopting Persian airs and graces.

What's threatening is just that it is different, and many people don't want different whatever you wish to call it.

Modernisation is less controversial because it just means 'us' with iPads and low cost airlines.

 

[Augustus]

How many Hindus, Buddhists or Sikhs went to the west, bironing and slaughtering people to steal their wealth?

How did Hindu Empires form? Did the emperors triumph in a good-natured debate?

And do show me evidence of Hindu caste system accepting slaves.

Try the Majapahit Enmpire.

Modernization is about progressive ideals

Modernisation has nothing to do with progressive ideals (in the liberal, egalitarian sense of the word).

Fascism, communism, ISIS, etc are all a product of modernity.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

In what way have I been silent? What do you want me to say to you?

Also, you didn't answer my question.

Accept the blame of what the west has caused ON the world. Casteism, SATI, etc are barbaric practices of indian cultures but never did they feel the need to destroy other nations.
So, imposing beliefs on other nations has been a trend of the west, so its not blasphemous to say that they should be checked upon.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

How did Hindu Empires form? Did the emperors triumph in a good-natured debate?





Try the Majapahit Enmpire.




Modernisation has nothing to do with progressive ideals (in the liberal, egalitarian sense of the word).

Fascism, communism, ISIS, etc are all a product of modernity.

Hinduism spread simply by word of mouth before Buddhism spread across the south Asia (in a way that western religions are unaware of)

Majapahit was a blend of 4 religions and was nowhere near in India.

Liberal and egalitarian don't always go in hand... They both work in independent ways.

 

[Augustus]

Hinduism spread simply by word of mouth before Buddhism spread across the south Asia (in a way that western religions are unaware of)

All religions spread by word of mouth to some extent. They also spread through conquest and power.

Just because a conquest is unconnected to religion/ideology doesn't mean it doesn't help spread it.

Majapahit was a blend of 4 religions and was nowhere near in India.

You asked about Hindus and slavery. I gave an example.

Do only Indian Hindus count?

Liberal and egalitarian don't always go in hand... They both work in independent ways.

You defined modernity as progressive, what did you mean by progressive?

In your opinion what defines modernity?

 

[Subhankar Zac]

All religions spread by word of mouth to some extent. They also spread through conquest and power.

Just because a conquest is unconnected to religion/ideology doesn't mean it doesn't help spread it.



You asked about Hindus and slavery. I gave an example.

Do only Indian Hindus count?



You defined modernity as progressive, what did you mean by progressive?

In your opinion what defines modernity?

Indian, Chinese, etc religions didn't use power to spread. In fact the Abrahamic faiths took much of the ancient Hindu empire like Philippines, Indonesia, Brunei, etc by scaremongering and bloodshed.
There is no evidence in history that Hinduism showed any form of radicalism before the British raj in India.

Yes, only indian Hindus count as Hindu simply is the Persian pronunciation of the people who inhabited the plains of Sindhu (river) and Saraswati.
All the major histories took place in India including the birth of the Vedas and the great war of Mahabharata.

Modernism- bringing things upto date based on the views of majority.
Progressive- something that changes and is updated with time.

 

[Treks]

Accept the blame of what the west has caused ON the world. Casteism, SATI, etc are barbaric practices of indian cultures but never did they feel the need to destroy other nations.
So, imposing beliefs on other nations has been a trend of the west, so its not blasphemous to say that they should be checked upon.

Why do you want me to accept all that blame? Is it my fault? And what does accepting the blame look like? An apology?

Also, you still haven't answered my question. Which is quite relevant now, because it looks like you're asking me personally to accept the blame for Sikhs taking up arms to defend India from Moghul invaders.

 

[LuisDantas]

That it is 'Westernisation', i.e. foreign.

This is just what people do, they like their own culture and don't want someone elses. For example, the French complain about the Americanisation of their culture, as do the Brits. Some white people worry that their children are adopting 'black' culture. People complain that immigration is destroying 'Englishness' or 'Spanishness'.

And none of that makes any real sense.

It's not a modern phenomenon though, The Romans complained that Greek culture was making Romans effete and foppish. The Arabs that their monarchs were adopting Persian airs and graces.

What's threatening is just that it is different, and many people don't want different whatever you wish to call it.

Modernisation is less controversial because it just means 'us' with iPads and low cost airlines.

And that is not very differentiable from embracing the learning from "foreigeners" either.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Why do you want me to accept all that blame? Is it my fault? And what does accepting the blame look like? An apology?

Also, you still haven't answered my question. Which is quite relevant now, because it looks like you're asking me personally to accept the blame for Sikhs taking up arms to defend India from Moghul invaders.

Because I like to keep things brief, all m asking is not to defend the atrocities the west has laid in the world.
And also, not to take offense when I say that Westernization isn't always modernization or good for humanity as it's past actions speak of it.

 

[Augustus]

And none of that makes any real sense.

Since when have us humans collectively made sense?

 

[Treks]

Because I like to keep things brief, all m asking is not to defend the atrocities the west has laid in the world.
And also, not to take offense when I say that Westernization isn't always modernization or good for humanity as it's past actions speak of it.

Where have I defended them?

Why won't you answer my question re Islam?

 

[David1967]

Since when have us humans collectively made sense?

You got that right.