Mohammad in the Bible...

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Like I said desperate

I hear the same from people about 4:59 being about Imams (a) even though to me the context is so clear. Same with "the one who you will send", if you keep in mind what is discussed about Ismail (a), twelve princes, exalted ones, tree of life, etc, the name Seth after Adam and other things, it's all so clear to me.

 

[rosends]

I hear the same from people about 4:59 being about Imams (a) even though to me the context is so clear. Same with "the one who you will send", if you keep in mind what is discussed about Ismail (a), twelve princes, exalted ones, tree of life, etc, the name Seth after Adam and other things, it's all so clear to me.

Yes, I understand that, but "playing mental gymnastics is always a reality," and "It's clear to me...People can always interpret things however they desire"

 

[Rival]

There are old coins with crosses on that say "Muhammad", meaning "Praised one" and likely referring here to Jesus. The Quran also calls Jesus this title. So I guess this text is also about Jesus....

 

[MyM]

Seen this claim soon many times,it's like one of the ugly sisters in Cinderella trying to make the shoe fit and failing miserably,it's a massive stretch like in the song of Solomon,this is an erotic love song,it just doesn't fit or even make sense.

you are entitled to what you believe as an athiest....and am not talking about the song by Toni Morrison.

 

[Altfish]

I hear the same from people about 4:59 being about Imams (a) even though to me the context is so clear. Same with "the one who you will send", if you keep in mind what is discussed about Ismail (a), twelve princes, exalted ones, tree of life, etc, the name Seth after Adam and other things, it's all so clear to me.

I'm pleased it is clear to you. It's as clear as mud to me and most other rational people.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It is interesting to find many things if one knows how to read and understand the Hebrew Text. Also, in the Greek text as well for many parts of the Bible are from translated Hebrew and Greek Texts.

Many are asked about if Mohammad pbuh is mentioned in the Bible and many say no.

Muhammad is alluded in prophecy in the OT and is foretold in NT prophecy. The book of Revelation.

Regards Tony

 

[Altfish]

Muhammad is alluded in prophecy in the OT and is foretold in NT prophecy. The book of Revelation.

Regards Tony

If you use smoke and mirrors and vast amounts of interpretation.

 

[Debater Slayer]

There are old coins with crosses on that say "Muhammad", meaning "Praised one" and likely referring here to Jesus. The Quran also calls Jesus this title. So I guess this text is also about Jesus....

The Qur'an never calls Jesus "Muhammad" (Praised One, as you correctly noted the translation).

Still, it has always seemed quite inconsistent to me on the part of some Islamic preachers to claim the Bible is corrupted and unreliable but then appeal to it as a source of prophecy foretelling the coming of Muhammad. It has always felt to me like they try to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[MyM]

There are old coins with a cross on that say "Muhammad", meaning "Praised one" and likely referring here to Jesus. The Quran also calls Jesus this title. So I guess this text is also about Jesus....

The Quran calls Jesus, The Messieh, translated Christ. He is mentioned as the son of Mary, a prophet and messenger of Allah but where in the Quran is he mentioned as "the praised one"? We know that to be only for Mohammad pbuh.

 

[firedragon]

The name of Mohammad is translated to "Altogether lovely" in the Bible.

I am a Muslim. But this Muhammadim in psalms being referred to the prophet Muhammed was propagated by the great Ahmed Deedat.

But with all due respect, in this particular matter he was talking with absolute ignorance.

Its just the word and its meaning there. It has nothing to with the prophet Muhammed. Just because the word sounds similar, and may even have similar meaning, its an absurd assertion.

Lets say your name is Husna. It means beautiful. And someone in the past has written a poem that has the English word beautiful. Does that mean that writer is talking about you personally.

Sorry sis. This one, is absurd. this is why, though these things sound good, and are spoken of by some people we respect, we should not propagate them blindly. We should use our Akal and Nakal as Islam teaches.

Peace.

 

[firedragon]

In Islam, Allah says, they have changed the their books with their hands.

No. that's not what is said. The Quran says that "they wrote by their OWN HANDS and claimed it was God".

I dont mean to burst your bubble, but this is just simple fact. Who told you these things?

 

[Rival]

The Qur'an never calls Jesus "Muhammad" (Praised One, as you correctly noted the translation).

Still, it has always seemed quite inconsistent to me on the part of some Islamic preachers to claim the Bible is corrupted and unreliable but then appeal to it as a source of prophecy foretelling the coming of Muhammad. It has always felt to me like they try to have their cake and eat it too.

It's been a while since I read it. He is given a lot of merit though!

It is desperately inconsistent.

 

[Rival]

The Quran calls Jesus, The Messieh, translated Christ. He is mentioned as the son of Mary, a prophet and messenger of Allah but where in the Quran is he mentioned as "the praised one"? We know that to be only for Mohammad pbuh.

I just made a mistake.

 

[MyM]

The Qur'an never calls Jesus "Muhammad" (Praised One, as you correctly noted the translation).

Still, it has always seemed quite inconsistent to me on the part of some Islamic preachers to claim the Bible is corrupted and unreliable but then appeal to it as a source of prophecy foretelling the coming of Muhammad. It has always felt to me like they try to have their cake and eat it too.

I see what you are saying, but in Islam, Mohammad pbuh was foretold and it was in their books. There are not many evidences that many preople adhere to either do to mistranslations, lost or misinterpreted. So, that is why people are dismissing them. But in the Quran, Allah tells us and in ahadith, Mohammad pbuh tells us all about what has happened to them.

 

[England my lionheart]

you are entitled to what you believe as an athiest....and am not talking about the song by Toni Morrison.

Never heard of him but thats ok,of course we are all entitled to believe whatever we want but is it honest and respectful to impose your religion on to another,Jesus is mentioned in the Quran but Muhammed not anywhere in other Abrahmic texts,is this just a desperate to get him in there?,also there are no historic records of either Jesus Moses Noah Jacob etc so putting Muhammed into their scriptures isn't going to substantiate yours imo.

 

[firedragon]

OK, let me try to break this down for you. I am assuming that you are making reference to Song of Songs 5:16. That text reads, "חִכּוֹ֙ מַֽמְתַקִּ֔ים וְכֻלּ֖וֹ מַחֲמַדִּ֑ים" khiko mamtakim, vkhulo makhamadim. This means "his mouth is sweet and he is completely delightful." You can choose to understand the phrases any way you want but the operative word is "makhamadim." It is a Hebrew word. Here is the etymology, from the 3 letter root kh-m-d
Aram. חֲמַד (= he desired), Ugar. ḥmd (= to be pleasant), Arab. ḥamida (= he praised)

Is this a word upon which the name Muhamed is based? Probably -- lots of names come from biblical words. The name "Baruch" (bless) is a biblical word. The name Simcha (joy) is a biblical word. Why does the existence of a word which lends itself to a name mean that the text is referencing a specific person who has that name? My name is found explicitly in the biblical text so is the text talking about me?

Makes no sense as a conclusion to draw.

Well. Makes sense. The bloody coincidence is, I think I made a very similar analogy to someone here.

There are old coins with crosses on that say "Muhammad", meaning "Praised one" and likely referring here to Jesus. The Quran also calls Jesus this title. So I guess this text is also about Jesus....

Hey. that's something new. Where in the Quran does it call Jesus by the "title" Muhammed?

I think prior to your response, I should say nowhere. Unless you mean some derival of the word hamd. But Even that I am not sure. Yet, I would like to see which verse you are referring to.

 

[MyM]

It's been a while since I read it. He is given a lot of merit though!

It is desperately inconsistent.

Yes, Jesus is mentioned more than Mohammad pbuh in the Quran. I believe close to over 187 moreorless. Jesus(on him peace) is highly revered in Islam.

 

[firedragon]

Never heard of him but thats ok,of course we are all entitled to believe whatever we want but is it honest and respectful to impose your religion on to another,Jesus is mentioned in the Quran but Muhammed not anywhere in other Abrahmic texts,is this just a desperate to get him in there?,also there are no historic records of either Jesus Moses Noah Jacob etc so putting Muhammed into their scriptures isn't going to substantiate yours imo.

Have you studied all the religious texts extensively? Are you 100% sure of your positive claim?

Can you prove that Muhammed is not even mentioned in some roundabout way in any so called "Abrahamic texts"? None??

Can you prove your thesis?

 

[Harel13]

cake

Mmm, cake.

 

[MyM]

Never heard of him but thats ok,of course we are all entitled to believe whatever we want but is it honest and respectful to impose your religion on to another,Jesus is mentioned in the Quran but Muhammed not anywhere in other Abrahmic texts,is this just a desperate to get him in there?,also there are no historic records of either Jesus Moses Noah Jacob etc so putting Muhammed into their scriptures isn't going to substantiate yours imo.

I guess it doesn't really apply to you then?