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Monks Meditating on pain

I saw in the news a buddhist monk that burned himself because he was protesting and just sat there burning until he was dead. He did not move or scream. Then a different guy I saw online was only set aflame a tiny bit with only 15% of his body and was running around screaming.

So how do the monks do this? Anything you can think of please such as how to think like a monk and how to meditate and have certain thoughts to reduce pain? Anything would be of great help as I have cancer and can't wait to practice your advice.

Thank You very much.
They meditate their whole life, have extraordinary discipline, to the point of near insanity it seems as this is not a smart thing to do, and you have to be at least temporarily insane, that masks pain.

Like a person on a. dust, they don't feel it because their mind is operating abnormally.
 
I'ma dodge the fire question and focus more on the death part. In Tibetan Buddhism they focus on different types of analytical meditations one which I'm going through is the Lam Rim cycle.

Instead of dying or thinking of taking their life, they focus on the impermanence or changing of the life we have now and our bodies die as soon as it is born. It's more being comfortable with death rather than suicidal gestures. So, in a general sense since everyone's situation is different, many Buddhists will focus on the change of their body and do things for others to bring good merit and ease their passing. Others may be more meditation oriented and just focus really on calming the body through the dying process.

Regardless, burning oneself isn't a universal buddhist practice. I wouldn't suggest anyone to do that regardless of the religion.

The Dalai Lama said he can't really speak about this because can't condone, but does not want to disturb the families by expressing his disapproval.

Tough spot to be in. Diplomacy must not be a skill he has acquired as you can always reason with the families and save lives by telling adherents to stop.
 

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
I saw in the news a buddhist monk that burned himself because he was protesting and just sat there burning until he was dead. He did not move or scream. Then a different guy I saw online was only set aflame a tiny bit with only 15% of his body and was running around screaming.

So how do the monks do this? Anything you can think of please such as how to think like a monk and how to meditate and have certain thoughts to reduce pain? Anything would be of great help as I have cancer and can't wait to practice your advice.

Thank You very much.

I don't think they have actually stopped the pain of the experience. I think they have managed to detach pain from suffering, which is an emotional response to stimuli like pain or loss.

This answer is less Buddhist and more inspired by Taoist writers I have read, but I think the process is something like learning to accept things as they are and come, and learning to have no mental attachment to things, to accept change as it comes and to go wherever it leads willingly and openly.

If you can attain such a state, you can become free from the attachments of "joy and sorrow" and accept what is and whatever may come.

The monk, thus, I'd think attained that sort of sagely mind. He's feeling the pain of burning, but he's learned to accept it and thus has no suffering or panic from the experience.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
They meditate their whole life, have extraordinary discipline, to the point of near insanity it seems as this is not a smart thing to do, and you have to be at least temporarily insane, that masks pain.

Like a person on a. dust, they don't feel it because their mind is operating abnormally.
I have to agree

the instructors I knew of the art....suffered injury
serious injury
they were simply not responding to it

this might be fine on the street in a self defense situation
but I don't see the flip side to enduring the constant fatigue of pain

I have felt injury severe enough.....the brain shut it off
I did not feel my injury for more than an hour

I think it's called......endomorphine reflex
( not too sure of that)
the brain allows you to get up and go
maybe to seek help
maybe to flee from danger

but when the reflex wears off.......omg

sorry to report......Trump has launched a war on opiates
and maybe chemistry is not the best of methods
but at some point.....it's all about chemistry
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The Dalai Lama said he can't really speak about this because can't condone, but does not want to disturb the families by expressing his disapproval.

Tough spot to be in. Diplomacy must not be a skill he has acquired as you can always reason with the families and save lives by telling adherents to stop.

I don't understand. The Dalai Lama doesn't want to speak of death because he feels he'll be condoning it?

It's tough to say that, yes. For example, I live in the same building I work. Most people here are over 80 and/or have disabilities. Sometimes they'd talk about their health, some terminal, others chronic and before I worked there, I can kinda say that doesn't sound like a good idea in my opinion. Now, we can't talk about a residents health with the resident because I represent the company even when I'm off work and on property.

I guess the best to do is let people talk about it. My father is dying and sometimes he'll talk all day about his illness and other times he's proving that he can play the piano and sing banging on the keys and cracking the bucket he's trying to put a note in. It's a good way to vent but tricky online.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I've learned to embrace suffering, because the more I've suffered, the more my tolerance to suffering grows, the stronger I become, and suffering can be a good teacher that makes me wiser and more mature.

I've always wondered how those Buddhist monks were able to be so still while their body was being engulfed flames. I have no clue how they do it.

Sorry to hear about the cancer. This life is short and filled with suffering. Look within yourself for answers and inner strength to endure
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I saw in the news a buddhist monk that burned himself because he was protesting and just sat there burning until he was dead. He did not move or scream. Then a different guy I saw online was only set aflame a tiny bit with only 15% of his body and was running around screaming.

So how do the monks do this? Anything you can think of please such as how to think like a monk and how to meditate and have certain thoughts to reduce pain? Anything would be of great help as I have cancer and can't wait to practice your advice.

Thank You very much.
Here's a lay overview from a non-Buddhist.

Buddhism has a belief in non-existence. That is, you as a person do not exist and merely believe that you exist. The primary evidence used to support this is that you change continually and are never the same person from moment to moment. It is an easy case to make. Biologically also it is now known that this is very likely to be true in the brain, and so the Buddhist comes very close the the biological reality. Buddhists also do not believe in death, and this is based upon the premise that they do not believe they exist to be alive. You may hear some say that there is neither birth nor death, and that is what they mean. Rebirth in Buddhism is not the same as in other religions necessarily as it does not refer to a supernatural life. The argument of non-existence is one of the biggest teachings in Buddhism. Connected with this is the belief (probably biologically true) that pain is an illusion.

So they begin with this belief in non-existence, however they do recognize the concept of suffering albeit not pain. While they see pain as an illusion, they see suffering as a more complex construct (not sure but something of a delusion rather than an illusion) and the entire structure of Buddhism is described as a struggle to get rid of suffering (but not pain which does not really exist). To understand this better you would need to study a few Sanskrit terms like Dukka. Out of this fight against suffering comes their teaching of compassion, which is not the core of Buddhism but is the primary teaching and discipline. A Buddhist must learn compassion, and then everything else falls into place. Without compassion, the meditation practices will not work. They will have effects but will be pointless.

So...a Buddhist first learns discipline and compassion and to this adds various meditative practices which include laborious, stationary and other forms of meditation. They think about various Buddhist arguments, gradually convincing themselves in increasing measure that the tenets of Buddhism are correct. The end goal is to be transformed, sort of like a river is transformed, into a creature that does not suffer but which seeks to help others not to suffer.

Finally once the convincing and the meditative practices have done their work, the being approaches what is called 'Enlightenment' a mostly elusive but approachable state of mind. Long before this state is reached a person can ignore pain of many kinds and can control their emotions somewhat.

For more accurate information check out our stickies at the top of the Buddhism Dir areas. For answers exclusively from Buddhists, post your question in the Religious Q & A section and include (Buddhists Only) in the title.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I saw in the news a buddhist monk that burned himself because he was protesting and just sat there burning until he was dead. He did not move or scream. Then a different guy I saw online was only set aflame a tiny bit with only 15% of his body and was running around screaming.

So how do the monks do this? Anything you can think of please such as how to think like a monk and how to meditate and have certain thoughts to reduce pain? Anything would be of great help as I have cancer and can't wait to practice your advice.

Thank You very much.

When I was 13, I was playing baseball in an open field barefooted. I was having fun, enjoying the game when I went up to bat the catcher got my attention and pointed out to me my foot was covered in blood. It turn out I had a fairly large piece of glass stuck into the heel of my foot. I had been running around on it for I don't know how long but I hadn't felt a thing.

Always kind of fascinated me that I hadn't felt any pain from that. I'm in fairly constant pain from spinal arthritis. I know if I watch a good movie or when I'm writing, doing something I enjoy it can distract me from feeling any pain for a while. It'd be nice if I could just turn it off when I wanted to, which would probably be all the time. It's more like distracting myself so I forget that I'm feeling pain.

Here's some information I've come across...

Relieving pain may not be an instantaneous act, but with time and practice you can adapt your brain to handle every bump, cut, and injury with ease. Focus in on your body, and it can become numb in the most necessary situations.

How to Trick Your Brain into Not Feeling Any Pain « Mind Hacks :: WonderHowTo
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I wouldn't mind standing behind you with a stick and beating you every now and then while you meditate, Salix, so you can test your theory. No need to thank me, it'll be my pleasure.
I hope you were referring to the zen practice of using a stick kyōsaku.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
When I was 13, I was playing baseball in an open field barefooted. I was having fun, enjoying the game when I went up to bat the catcher got my attention and pointed out to me my foot was covered in blood. It turn out I had a fairly large piece of glass stuck into the heel of my foot. I had been running around on it for I don't know how long but I hadn't felt a thing.

Always kind of fascinated me that I hadn't felt any pain from that. I'm in fairly constant pain from spinal arthritis. I know if I watch a good movie or when I'm writing, doing something I enjoy it can distract me from feeling any pain for a while. It'd be nice if I could just turn it off when I wanted to, which would probably be all the time. It's more like distracting myself so I forget that I'm feeling pain.

Here's some information I've come across...

Relieving pain may not be an instantaneous act, but with time and practice you can adapt your brain to handle every bump, cut, and injury with ease. Focus in on your body, and it can become numb in the most necessary situations.

How to Trick Your Brain into Not Feeling Any Pain « Mind Hacks :: WonderHowTo
That WonderHowTo link puts some background behind what you experienced.
 
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