Monotheism is not economically, or socially viable

[ChieftheCef]

Strawman. You were talking about "economics". Not longest standing. Yes, Rome was very rich. But the British empire was bigger and richer.

You have no sources, no research, just some anti monotheistic assertions.

ANd they were not monotheists, they each have their own interpretation of religion that their governments follow suite. They were affected by enlightenment principles. ONly those who don't want to see don't see. I have shown in the thread. Read the thread.

 

[firedragon]

ANd they were not monotheists, they each have their own interpretation of religion that their governments follow suite. They were affected by enlightenment principles. ONly those who don't want to see don't see. I have shown in the thread. Read the thread.

They were not polytheists.
And provide research for your claim.

 

[firedragon]

AI is typical in not givvinjg the whole truth. Remember how dependent it is on humans. Search harder

No, they are not. Read the thread!

Where's the research for your assertion?

 

[ChieftheCef]

They were not polytheists.
And provide research for your claim.

No, but they included polytheist principles like openness to the other. See: what I said in the thread.

Where's the research for your assertion?

In bing, do you want me to find it or can you? Honestly, I don't care if you know, I know. And it's basically inferred by who has to know.

Seed to tree, drop in the ocean.

 

[firedragon]

No, but they included polytheist principles like openness to the other. See: what I said in the thread.

In bing, do you want me to find it or can you? Honestly, I don't care if you know, I know. And it's basically inferred by who has to know.

Seed to tree, drop in the ocean.

Provide the research that says "monotheism makes the economy kaput". That's your claim.

Was the Mogul empire economically kaput while contributing the largest portion of the global GDP?

So show the research.

 

[PearlSeeker]

No, they are not. Read the thread!

OK. If I anderstand you assert that Western countries (although population being 99% monotheistic) apply principles of polytheism in their economic system. Is that right?

I think you are confusing religion and economy (although there is some overlapping and influence), correlation and causation. Besides that, modern economic systems are not totally free market capitalism. These countries have a mixed economy.

Studies suggest there is a channel from religious behaviours to macroeconomic outcomes of economic growth, crime rates and institutional development.[19] Scholars hypothesise religion impacts economic outcomes through religious doctrines promoting thrift, work ethic, honesty and trust.[20] These channels were described by Max Weber in his work The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. Weber indicates that Protestant teachings were an important force behind the transition to modern day capitalism in Europe.[21] Other studies highlight the effects of religion on human capital formation as the main mechanism behind the dependency. Human capital formation is driven by higher religious importance of literacy [22]​

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The correlation between religion and economic outcomes can be interpreted in two ways: (1) a feature intrinsic to religion which affects growth or (2) a feature correlated to religion but not religion itself which affects growth. Existing cross-country literature is criticised for inability to distinguish between the two explanations, a problem termed endogeneity bias. Controlling for country fixed effects mitigates bias but more recent studies utilise field and natural experiments to identify the causal effect of religion.[29] Robustness of cross-country results to changes in specification of the statistical models is criticised in the literature.[30]​

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Economics of religion - Wikipedia

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Mixed economy - Wikipedia

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[ChieftheCef]

OK. If I anderstand you assert that Western countries (although population being 99% monotheistic) apply principles of polytheism in their economic system. Is that right?

I understand those countries are at their foundational level NOT monotheistic.

The ones that show polytheistic traits, those born of polytheism, flourish such as democracy

History of democracy - Wikipedia

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And openness to the other, a trait endemic in these successful nations in history. Egypt, Sumer, Akkad, Babylon, Athens, Sparta, The Mongols, presumably the British Empire (presumably), and the United States of America.

I think you are confusing religion and economy (although there is some overlapping and influence), correlation and causation. Besides that, modern economic systems are not totally free market capitalism. These countries have a mixed economy.

I am not. WHo says? DId you know capitalism is the free market and rules? It's not socialism to have regulation, that's the commie governments trying to win us over.

Studies suggest there is a channel from religious behaviours to macroeconomic outcomes of economic growth, crime rates and institutional development.[19] Scholars hypothesise religion impacts economic outcomes through religious doctrines promoting thrift, work ethic, honesty and trust.[20] These channels were described by Max Weber in his work The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. Weber indicates that Protestant teachings were an important force behind the transition to modern day capitalism in Europe.[21] Other studies highlight the effects of religion on human capital formation as the main mechanism behind the dependency. Human capital formation is driven by higher religious importance of literacy [22]​

Of course the protestant says protestantism is filled with better behavior, he's protestant.

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The correlation between religion and economic outcomes can be interpreted in two ways: (1) a feature intrinsic to religion which affects growth​

It sheerly is, think about it. You can sell dildos to gays. Don't play daft. Read slowly at the end.

or (2) a feature correlated to religion but not religion itself which affects growth. Existing cross-country literature is criticised for inability to distinguish between the two explanations, a problem termed endogeneity bias. Controlling for country fixed effects mitigates bias but more recent studies utilise field and natural experiments to identify the causal effect of religion.[29] Robustness of cross-country results to changes in specification of the statistical models is criticised in the literature.[30]​

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You forget, sir, that they indeed can miss basic things due to lack of clarity. DOn't think hard about it.

Economics of religion - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Mixed economy - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Read the thread

Don't think hard about this.

I want to be clear, this does not mean that we should allow everything and die, or be so tolerant that we can no longer tolerate

But sheerly, the making, selling, buying, and using of dildos increases your king's pull by that much. Thousands of dildos start to give you a more booming economy.

Polytheist economies, being open to the other, sheerly would increase their economy and thus what the military, government, priesthood, people, etc could do. There were the superior states to the monotheist states, with a rare few who adopted similar principles to these states and thus profited. That's what happened.
Sheerly.

 

[firedragon]

I told you why you just REFUSE TO READ THE FU*CKING THREAD

I did. But you see, I am asking you a question you are not answering.

The mogul empire was very rich. You said monotheism makes the rule financial "Kaput". That's a contradiction.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Polytheist economies, being open to the other, sheerly would increase their economy and thus what the military, government, priesthood, people, etc could do. There were the superior states to the monotheist states, with a rare few who adopted similar principles to these states and thus profited. That's what happened.
Sheerly.

Sheerly.

 

[ChieftheCef]

I suppose it should be said that there were monotheist societies tjhat did excell at times but what should be said more is that they did so by being open to the other, by open inquiry and by nonadherent to actual monotheist values, like murdering the other because they don't believe in reality like you do.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I suppose it should be said that there were monotheist societies tjhat did excell at times

Are you kidding me? It was the monotheistic West that developed scientific method. Nothing in the history of mankind has relieved as much human suffering as the scientific method.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Are you kidding me? It was the monotheistic West that developed scientific method. Nothing in the history of mankind has relieved as much human suffering as the scientific method.

Nope. It was deists who did that.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Nope. It was deists who did that.

Are you not aware that Deism is a form of monotheism? They only believe in one God.

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

Monotheism is not economically, or socially viable​

Athens, Babylon, Rome, Egypt and others were all better than ancient israel, because they were open to the other: so, and this is really a long list, less people would be hurt, physically or mentally, for their life choices and so they became more efficient and economically productive benefiting everyone within and somewhat out of it's bounds. The Ancient Israelites, and Persians, and other stubborn people were closed off from others, and so their economics went kaput.

Didn’t the others also went kaput?
I am tryin to understand how you can determine what is better or not? What criteria do you use?
If a empire ruled for a century you think this is viable?

 

[ChieftheCef]

Monotheism is not economically, or socially viable​

Didn’t the others also went kaput?
I am tryin to understand how you can determine what is better or not? What criteria do you use?
If a empire ruled for a century you think this is viable?

The viable ones tend not to be minotheists because monotheism is closed off from the other. Typically

 

[ChieftheCef]

Are you not aware that Deism is a form of monotheism? They only believe in one God.

Hmm I suppose the word doesn't fit. It is all the Antiquity religion and the next era that is monotheist, but deists even see the beauty of the other

 

[MayPeaceBeUpOnYou]

The viable ones tend not to be minotheists because monotheism is closed off from the other. Typically

Maybe it’s because of me but the others also went kaput so I don’t understand the how you determine if it’s viable or not.

 

[ChieftheCef]

Maybe it’s because of me but the others also went kaput so I don’t understand the how you determine if it’s viable or not.

Length of time, accomplishments, general wellbeing, overall wealth etc

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Hmm I suppose the word doesn't fit. It is all the Antiquity religion and the next era that is monotheist, but deists even see the beauty of the other

I'm not sure where you get this. Words have defined meanings. Monotheist means anyone who believes in one God; it doesn't matter if that one God is Aten or Adonai. Polytheist means you believe in many gods, such as the Norse pantheon or the Greek pantheon or some of Hinduism's many expressions. Animist means that you believe that nature is animated, meaning that everything has a soul or manna (even rocks and rivers).
Pantheist means that you believe God is the sum total of our universe. Panentheist means you believe that God is the sum total of the universe but also is more than that.

 

[The Hammer]

Polytheist means you believe in many gods, such as the Norse pantheon or the Greek pantheon or some of Hinduism's many expressions. Animist means that you believe that nature is animated, meaning that everything has a soul or manna (even rocks and rivers).
Pantheist means that you believe God is the sum total of our universe. Panentheist means you believe that God is the sum total of the universe but also is more than that.

I'll take "all of the above" for $400 Alex.