Monotheism & Polytheism

[EyeofOdin]

Jesus was not talking about a literal sword so let's leave him out of it please.

Whatever you believe it means doesn't matter. What matters is the war symbolism across the Abrahamic entities, and how they show their polytheistic roots. To deny this is ignorant.

 

[EyeofOdin]

There are no superior deities that's the point , even if all the gods are real they are still just people. The "One" God is simply the origin of all these. Its formless, even the gods worship it.
It is not a deity, it is the pure divine(hard if not impossible to. Describe)
People meditate, after they see this one(Tao, the Monad, Brahman, whatever) they normally think that deities are insignificant. And many people are "seeing"

Okay I see what you're saying now.

I would have to agree and disagree to this.

I don't believe that the gods worship the source, whether it's Nun, Nyx, The Void or Ginnungagap.

In my opinion spiritual evolution is coming closer to "pure divine" or oneness, and eventually becoming ascended masters, or maybe even gods. In Germanic Heathenry, there are some deities, Like Idunna, who actually were dwarves but ascended into godhood. Some very unknown myths even describe Odin as originally being a dwarf.

Hellenic Lore talks about various heroes, one of which being Herakles, who are awarded either for their divine inspiration or their courage and bravery and are awarded deityhood by the gods.

Even Christianity has this concept. It's not salvation. It's the concept that people can become angels. Although this is limited to older traditions or Catholicism, the belief that through seeking divine connection, we can become saints, whom I believe are equivalent to ascended masters or highly revered spirits of other cultures.

This "pure divinity" you speak about, I feel, is what's called "Nirvana". It's also the "shamanic mastery" that is what Odin's name translates too (Wod means "shamanic inspiration", "rage" or "pure divine essence", akin with Latin vates, meaning prophet, shaman or oracle). Wodan means the "master of shamanism/rage/divine essence".

This means that, although we can probably find this "pure divine essence" anywhere, it's most accessible through the gods. They can help ascend people into being "Wodens", into being masters of divinity.

So the deities aren't insignificant. They teach and guide us on how we can become divine.

 

[Contemplative Cat]

Yeah, I get ya.
To clarify only when compared to the greatness of the BIG one do deities appear insignificant.
In our relative world deities can be sources of knowledge and protection.

why worship them, it does nothing but inflate the gods egos.
But if a being worships the Infinite, eventually and inevitably one will attain the Shamatic Mastery.
That's the enlightenment people like to go on about.

 

[EyeofOdin]

Yeah, I get ya.
To clarify only when compared to the greatness of the BIG one do deities appear insignificant.
In our relative world deities can be sources of knowledge and protection.

why worship them, it does nothing but inflate the gods egos.
But if a being worships the Infinite, eventually and inevitably one will attain the Shamatic Mastery.
That's the enlightenment people like to go on about.

The reason we worship the gods instead of "the BIG one" (let's call it Spirit for simplicity sake) is because we cannot mentally or spiritually connect to Spirit, at least not by ourselves. If we try to approach Spirit without the help of a spirit or deity, we end up lost, and spiritually confused. We like to think that our connection to the gods is through the shaman, who's the intermediary, which is true. However our universal connection comes from the gods and spirits.

So we honor and adore the gods because we can connect to them. We can honor and adore spirit, but there really is no point. Spirit is too abstract for us to understand or properly connect to. We need to evolve more before we can do that.

If you want to draw on the concept of the seven planes of existence, we are on the mental plane moving to the astral plane. On the mental plane we interpret the world around us and on the astral we interact with and change it. The gods help us move up and it's not until we go onto the Monadic, or maybe even Soular, that we start to understand what connection to spirit actually means.

 

[outhouse]

The reason we worship the gods instead of "the BIG one" (let's call it Spirit for simplicity sake) is because we cannot mentally or spiritually connect to Spirit, at least not by ourselves..

I dont find this to be true.

There is no need to connect, but a real WANT for some god to save us in times of need.

If we try to approach Spirit without the help of a spirit or deity, we end up lost, and spiritually confused.

As confused as trying to understand this reply?


You have created your own unique definition for spirit, and as far as I am concerned, your attributing way to much to a unknown concept.

We like to think that our connection to the gods is through the shaman, who's the intermediary, which is true

Doesnt make any sense, because your stating some can connect.

. However our universal connection comes from the gods and spirits

What connection are you even talking about?

So we honor and adore the gods because we can connect to them. We can honor and adore spirit, but there really is no point. Spirit is too abstract for us to understand or properly connect to. We need to evolve more before we can do that.

what?

Right now many understand spririt to be mythology that is nothing more then ancient mens description of consciousness.

I dont need to evolve any more to understand the concept.

If you want to draw on the concept of the seven planes of existence, we are on the mental plane moving to the astral plane.

Too date, there is no such a thing as 7 planes of existance.

Too date, there is no such thing as a astral plane.

On the mental plane we interpret the world around us and on the astral we interact with and change it.

complete nonsense.

The gods help us move up and it's not until we go onto the Monadic, or maybe even Soular, that we start to understand what connection to spirit actually means

More nonsense.




Please provide credible sources for this nonsense as actually existing outside imagination before you make such statements.

 

[Contemplative Cat]

The reason we worship the gods instead of "the BIG one" (let's call it Spirit for simplicity sake) is because we cannot mentally or spiritually connect to Spirit, at least not by ourselves. If we try to approach Spirit without the help of a spirit or deity, we end up lost, and spiritually confused. We like to think that our connection to the gods is through the shaman, who's the intermediary, which is true. However our universal connection comes from the gods and spirits.

So we honor and adore the gods because we can connect to them. We can honor and adore spirit, but there really is no point. Spirit is too abstract for us to understand or properly connect to. We need to evolve more before we can do that.

If you want to draw on the concept of the seven planes of existence, we are on the mental
plane moving to the astral plane. On the mental plane we interpret the world around us and on the astral we interact with and change it. The gods help us move up and it's not until we go onto the Monadic, or maybe even Soular, that we start to understand what connection to spirit actually means.

I used to think this too a few years ago. It makes perfect sense but the many people who have discovered the Spirit by retracting the senses. This is what makes the big difference between the concept of a priest and the concept of the Ecstatic shaman.

Yogis, Buddhists, Taoism, Gnostisism, and many pagan mystery religions aim at this.
It is a living energy that forms Nature,the God's, and any and all else.
So it can be done.
Meditation is what "connects" us, if you can call it that because we are already one with the source our ideas and notions of reality separate us. Meditations eliminate ideas of me and them so we can just be one.

The method you describe of worshiping gods as a method to the Infinite is called bhakti, the devotional method. But just. Considering the possibilities clears away our preconceived notion of labeling qualities of the energy(which is both Spirit and Nature, like heat and fire, the subtle and gross aspects of energy are always intertwined)

it can be a great benefit like the yogis say, or it can be a crutch like Buddhist say.
I don't mind either way.

 

[Contemplative Cat]

Seven planes, seven chakras.
Could an inner journey be thought of as a transdimentional trip.

 

[nazz]

Whatever you believe it means doesn't matter. What matters is the war symbolism across the Abrahamic entities, and how they show their polytheistic roots. To deny this is ignorant.

I'm not denying that at all. but you have to understand that from my perspective Jesus repudiated such notions.

 

[outhouse]

It is a living energy that forms Nature,the God's, and any and all else.
.

Nice of you to tell us how deities and natured are formed :biglaugh:


Do you think your god ro something?



have any evidence to back that up?

 

[Contemplative Cat]

Truth is relative to all beings or things at all times. But beings do not perceive the truth, they perceive a relative world, a perception unique to that particular beings senses.
So what one person sees is relative only to that individual and not to others(however their perception could be similar, but never the same)

The truth is the source of these perceptions, the substratum of all perceptions, the actual reality.

In meditation we close the doors of perception so we can see how it really is.
Its formless, from what people tell me they call it energy nowadays. Whatever one calls it, everything seems to be made out of it.

Simple logic and reason,the basis of sound faith.

 

[Contemplative Cat]

I don't really exist on an ultimate level, because only energy exists. I am not God, just an expression of Nature.

 

[EyeofOdin]

I dont find this to be true.

There is no need to connect, but a real WANT for some god to save us in times of need.




As confused as trying to understand this reply?


You have created your own unique definition for spirit, and as far as I am concerned, your attributing way to much to a unknown concept.




Doesnt make any sense, because your stating some can connect.





What connection are you even talking about?




what?

Right now many understand spririt to be mythology that is nothing more then ancient mens description of consciousness.

I dont need to evolve any more to understand the concept.





Too date, there is no such a thing as 7 planes of existance.

Too date, there is no such thing as a astral plane.



complete nonsense.



More nonsense.




Please provide credible sources for this nonsense as actually existing outside imagination before you make such statements.

It's just my beliefs and how I and others interpret deity and spirituality. If all you want to do is call other's beliefs "nonsense" instead of respectfully saying "That's not what I believe" then you can simply stop replying to me.

If you have questions or wish that I clarify, then you can politely ask for clarification. Otherwise, good day to you. I'm not going to waste my time trying to have a decent discussion with someone trying to establish superior beliefs.

And to be clear, I'm not alone from these beliefs. Many others share them. The seven planes of existence is traditionally an idea to Eastern Proto Indo Europeans, such as Vedic Indians, and is related to many different cosmological ideas, such as the Teutonic concept of Yggdrasil. I can assure you that I didn't make this up.

 

[outhouse]

It's just my beliefs and how I and others interpret deity and spirituality. If all you want to do is call other's beliefs "nonsense" instead of respectfully saying "That's not what I believe" then you can simply stop replying to me.

If you have questions or wish that I clarify, then you can politely ask for clarification. Otherwise, good day to you. I'm not going to waste my time trying to have a decent discussion with someone trying to establish superior beliefs.

I have no problem with personal belief.

But when you make absolute statements of what is and what is not, you should provide sources that what your stating is not just imagination, because everything you posted surely does not apply to me or anyone I know.

Your making statements that only apply to you.

 

[EyeofOdin]

I have no problem with personal belief.

But when you make absolute statements of what is and what is not, you should provide sources that what your stating is not just imagination, because everything you postes surely does not apply to me or anyone I know.

Your making statements that only apply to you.

I assumed that you were intelligent enough to see the understood "I believe" in front of each statement, because it would be redundant to write that over and over again and I thought it would already be understood one way or another because this is a "religious forum", where everything is technically talking about belief, not absolute fact. Apparently, I had overestimated.