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Monty Python (in 1979), prophesizes trans-women
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Trans gender people have been around ever since there have been people around.
And your point is... ?
That they didn't "prophesize" anything. They are a comedy troop comentting on something that existed in their time, and before their time.
And btw, what is it you find "terrifying"?
Are you afraid of trans people?
This is why I thing transphobia is often a very accurate term.
So is it your claim that down thru the ages transwomen were claiming the right to pregnancy?
Zooming out, what I'll say for the Nth time on RF, is that we can attack ideas without attacking people. So no, I don't hate or fear trans people. But I do think some of their ideas ought to be criticized. Being trans does not somehow convey onto a person skills in social change.
Subduction Zone
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Yes. Very scary. Do you want proof? Okay:
BOO!
Now, were you scared? Of course not. That is because I am not trans. Checkmate atheist!
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
The concept was certainly around well before then, but what I often find remarkable is how sensitive and accepting the characters are about it and how the main controversy of the movie had nothing to do with that scene.
It's similar to the song "Lola" by the Kinks, where the male character is suprised, but overall accepting of the situation. And it was a pretty big hit of a song.
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Subduction Zone
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What exactly does "transgender" mean? I assume it stands in juxtaposition to "transexual", but is rather more involved than "transvestite".
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's true. It's quite interesting as well.
Seems today's society is more frantic about the whole affair than the ancients were.
Albiet one caveat in respect to actual transition surgery with exception with eunuchs.
I think that ancient cultures varied in acceptance. The Greeks were quite accepting, with some Greek philosophers maintaining that there were more than two sexes. I think the Romans were somewhat accepting. Various Semitic cultures, perhaps less so. I would tend to say that of sub-Saharan African cultures, as well. These are just guesses on my part...
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"Trans" is a big topic, with many facets. It's one thing to accept the idea that some people wish they were the opposite sex. (BTW, I mean no offense with that definition.)
It's another thing altogether to accept the idea that a trans-woman ought to be allowed to compete in women's sports.
A person can accept the first idea, and question the 2nd idea without being afraid or even "unaccepting".
If we use sports participation as an example, I'd say that it's a complex question with moral and ethical considerations. Does being trans somehow make a person also an expert in philosophy?
"Trans" is a big topic, with many facets. It's one thing to accept the idea that some people wish they were the opposite sex. (BTW, I mean no offense with that definition.)
It's another thing altogether to accept the idea that a trans-woman ought to be allowed to compete in women's sports.
A person can accept the first idea, and question the 2nd idea without being afraid or even "unaccepting".
If we use sports participation as an example, I'd say that it's a complex question with moral and ethical considerations. Does being trans somehow make a person also an expert in philosophy?
You were the one who choose to use the word “terrifying”. Was that a typo? Did someone else manage somehow to slip that word into your post?
What do you find “terrifying“? That is a legitimate question. When someone starts describing a minority group as something we should be afraid of that is dangerous. I don’t care if you are talking about the Jews, or immigrants, or trans people.
I want to know why you said terrifying.
You said three things in the OP. Three incredibly stupid things. Three things that you cannot defend.
Forty four years ago a comedy troop made a stupid joke. It was not prophecy. It was not amazing. And it is not something to be afraid of.
Are we debating, or is your mind already made up?
Are you defending the OP?Are we debating, or is your mind already made up?
Don't worry about me. If you have a convincing argument to make, make it.
No prophecy.
Perform enuf absurd humor over decades,
& something's bound to come true. That's
how The Simpsons predicted Trump as Prez
back in 2000.
Perform enuf absurd humor over decades,
& something's bound to come true. That's
how The Simpsons predicted Trump as Prez
back in 2000.
What was even more terrifying about that scene was what Brian was selling as the food vendor: Larks' tongues, wrens' livers, chaffinch brains, jaguars' earlobes, wolf nipple chips, otters' noses, ocelot spleens.
I missed the part when someone put you in charge of the conversation
You have failed to respond to my questions to you, but you want me to respond to you? Nice work if you can get it I guess
What question did I not answer?I missed the part when someone put you in charge of the conversation
You have failed to respond to my questions to you, but you want me to respond to you? Nice work if you can get it I guess
And on my playlist.