Monty Python (in 1979), prophesizes trans-women

[Altfish]

It plays a major role in this song too:

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[Yerda]

It's similar to the song "Lola" by the Kinks, where the male character is suprised, but overall accepting of the situation. And it was a pretty big hit of a song.

The Kinks had a rich seam of warmth and generosity throughout their entire catalogue. The world would be a better place if this kindness was more common.

@icehorse what is the debate?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Amazing, terrifying..

...

How do you know that is amazing? How do you know that is terrifying?

 

[SomeRandom]

Amazing, terrifying..

As much as I love Monty Python.
Trans-ness is found in all sorts of ancient mythology.
Hell it’s literally part of some of the traditional religious stories I grew up with (Hindu)

 

[SomeRandom]

I think that ancient cultures varied in acceptance. The Greeks were quite accepting, with some Greek philosophers maintaining that there were more than two sexes. I think the Romans were somewhat accepting. Various Semitic cultures, perhaps less so. I would tend to say that of sub-Saharan African cultures, as well. These are just guesses on my part...

Well, all cultures throughout history had their own ideas about what constitutes masculinity and femininity. They varied and indeed there was some criss crossing happening. So you’re probably right.

Acceptance is a strong word though.
That said, it is interesting that there are some ancient religious rituals (varied religions) that could only be performed by those “outside of the boundaries” as it were.
I don’t know if I could confidently say that meant that such individuals were accepted by society. But in those cases I suppose they could just scare folks into maintaining at least a polite interaction rule, by reminding folks of their “status.” If that makes sense?

The idea of a gender binary is relatively modern, all things considered. And even that has changed over the years.

 

[icehorse]

Is there a general agreement that when we give "rights" to people, we simultaneously take away some "rights" of others?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Is there a general agreement that when we give "rights" to people, we simultaneously take away some "rights" of others?

No. Not even once.

 

[SomeRandom]

Is there a general agreement that when we give "rights" to people, we simultaneously take away some "rights" of others?

No. But some folks like to act like it is. And it baffles me

 

[Zwing]

Is there a general agreement that when we give "rights" to people, we simultaneously take away some "rights" of others?

No. But some folks like to act like it is. And it baffles me

The granting of new “rights” by the government is often accompanied not by the loss of rights of others, but rather by the loss of privileges, especially exclusive privileges. That is what is complained about. Everyone wants to be privileged, no?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Amazing, terrifying..

Nothing predicted, nothing new. You're just unaware and ignorant and apparently afraid.

 

[icehorse]

Nothing predicted, nothing new. You're just unaware and ignorant and apparently afraid.

And the implication is that you're a mind reader! wow! cool !!

 

[SomeRandom]

The granting of new “rights” by the government is often accompanied not by the loss of rights of others, but rather by the loss of privileges, especially exclusive privileges. That is what is complained about. Everyone wants to be privileged, no?

True.

I’m very ashamed that I once bought into instead the strawman argument against that.

I guess I can blame my poor understanding of how (in America in particular) social science is discussed on a large scale, as it were.
Also I was in a very bad headspace at the time. Still in hindsight I feel like I should have known better.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And the implication is that you're a mind reader! wow! cool !!

No implications. You yourself used the word terrifying.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

True.

I’m very ashamed that I once bought into instead the strawman argument against that.

I guess I can blame my poor understanding of how (in America in particular) social science is discussed on a large scale, as it were.
Also I was in a very bad headspace at the time. Still in hindsight I feel like I should have known better.

Isn't learning the better the best any of us can do?

 

[Zwing]

Still in hindsight I feel like I should have known better.

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

 

[icehorse]

No implications. You yourself used the word terrifying.

did you listen to the dialog? did you consider every implication of every line of it? Are you soooo invested in strawmanning that you assume the worst of your fellow posters? do you ever think of steelmanning?

It would appear that you do not.

 

[SomeRandom]

Isn't learning the better the best any of us can do?

That is true.
To learn is to grow and one should always strive to do just that.

 

[SomeRandom]

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

Aww thanks

 

[icehorse]

John Cleese is working on a stage adaptation of the Life of Brian. He was asked to remove the scene we've been discussing, and he refused.

Way to go John!

 

[fantome profane]

John Cleese is working on a stage adaptation of the Life of Brian. He was asked to remove the scene we've been discussing, and he refused.

Way to go John!

I guess he didn't believe the scene would be too "terrifying".