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iloveislam
Muslim
Remember that Al-Wahhab is one of the 99 Names of Allah. So by you mis-using this Name to label me with it is showing disrespect to Allah.
I also pray to Allah to be with Imam Ali in Jannah. Though it is the Shia's who worship Ali along with Allah.
La hawla wa la quwata illah billah
It's Abu Bakr and Umar (may Allah be pleased with them); so learn how to spell their names first!
The Muslims can NEVER be united with Shia's, so don't call for unity with us.
Listen, I have had enough of your nonsense, so don't bother replying to me as I will simply ignore you from now on.
This might be of interest:
I want to know the concept of infidels/kafirs in Islam. Does it refer to all non-Muslims including People of the Book? Is it okay to call them kafirs/infidels.
In today’s world, we should use the same term “People of the Book” with Christians and Jews, or call them Christians and Jews, if they wish to be called so, or simply call them “non-Muslims”.
As for dealing with non-Muslims, the general rule is mentioned in the verse that says what means:
*{Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of [your] religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness (birr) and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice. Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of [your] religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up [others] in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.}* (Al-Mumtahanah 60:8-9)
Finally, it is fair enough before labeling any person as a “rejecter of faith” (i.e kafir) to make sure that he/she is clearly aware of that faith and what it entails. In my view, most people in today’s world did not reject the message because simply they are not aware of what Islam is. This is largely due to the biased international media and to Muslims themselves falling short to present their religion properly to the world. These uninformed people, again in my view, could only fall under the verse that says what means:
*{No laden soul can bear another's load, We never punish until we have sent a messenger.}* (Al-Israa’ 17:15)
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iloveislam
Muslim
My respected sister,
We cannot unite with those who commit shirk, kufr and innovation in Islam. And we also cannot unite with those who talk dirty about Abu Bakr and Umar (may Allah be pleased with them).
The unity of Muslims is based upon Tawhid and love for the Prophet and his companions.
As for the term "kafir", I was not specifically referring to him but rather the Shia's in general for they are the ones that commit Shirk and Kufr.
Moreover the term "kafir" is not an offensive term because it is used in the Qur'an, when Allah Says:
يُرِيدُونَ أَن يُطْفِئُوا نُورَ اللَّهِ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَيَأْبَى اللَّهُ إِلَّا أَن يُتِمَّ نُورَهُ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكَافِرُونَ
They want to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).
[Qur'an 9:32]
قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ
Say: "O Al-Kafirun"!
[Qur'an 109:1]
They want to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).
[Qur'an 9:32]
قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الْكَافِرُونَ
Say: "O Al-Kafirun"!
[Qur'an 109:1]
Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
I am not Christian nor Jew. I'm an atheist. The way I see it, it is only a label, and labels hardly affect me.
As for your discussion there that I know little of, I feel as if I must offer that someone who rejects unity on the basis of differences instead of accepting unity on the basis of similarities is needlessly combattant. But that's just my opinion. I don't have a fancy book to quote from.
Which could be more problematic!
I take this approach:
Amidst all these amiable gestures, where do we Muslims stand? Why do we kindle the fire of disagreement? What is the reason for all this argument about Shi`ah as if they are not Muslims?
Let it be known to all that the Shi`ah are Muslims who believe in the Oneness of Allah and the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).
Yes, there is no doubt that the Shi`ah have their beliefs and dogmas which we condemn as heresy but this doesn’t make them non-Muslims.
Shi`ites & Sunnis: Time for Unity - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar
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Vile Atheist
Loud and Obnoxious
Fair enough. My apologies.
iloveislam
Muslim
You should know sister, may Allah preserve you, that those who commit major Kufr or major Shirk are guilty of being Kafir and/or Mushriks.
There is no need for a fatwa for this.
You have only given me the opinion of Yusuf Qaradawi.
However, if you still insist on taking this matter to scholars of Islam and see what they say about this issue then tell me to open a thread regarding the heresy of the Shia's and Insha'Allah I will try my best to quote to you classical and contemporary scholars.
Heneni
Miss Independent
Who is ali?
iloveislam
Muslim
Ali ibn Abi Talib was the cousin and the son-in-law of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
He (Ali) was also the 4th Caliph (leader of the Muslims) and he is much loved by all Muslims for his service to Islam.
Note that this Wahabi calling himself Iloveislam consider Shia as well as many other Sunnis as kafir( considering them non muslims)
With all respect, and best wishes as well,
But if Haven will include, the killers, the victims, Shia of Ahlul-Bayt, enemies of Ahlulbayt
Itll just be a mess
As long as you have a clean heart, love to Ahlulbayt, and anger and hate toward those who killed them..you are fine inshaallah.
What is showing disrespect to Allah is claiming that Wahabism is related to Allah.
So you escaped You know your religion is fake.
And I know how your imams names are written in Arabic. And I pray to Allah in Ramadhan after each Salah not to be with them in the hereafter. Also read your Bukhari to know that lady Fatima died while she was angry about your Imam Abu bakir (or how is it written).
Alhamdu-lillah Sunnis are very happy about us, to the degree that millions of sunnis have converted to Shiasm ( I know you wont believe me in this, just remember it as a lie, for the sake of the future!).
I know that you cant win a debate with me, not because I am more a clever man, but because I am in the right position. I reply to your lies so that other members wont think that they are truth.
Its funny to hear that someone who consider Yazeed the killer of Imam Hussain (a.s) as his source of religion claiming that the followers of the appointed successors of the prophet to Mushrik and Kafir.
The shirk and Kufr is your religion which consider Allah as:
1. has hand and face.
2. beardless and has curly hair.
3.inthe day after will put his feet in the hell.
And you cant even define the tem Shirk.
If Iblis (the devil) decided to pray for thousand years will it accepted from him. Not until he obey Allah and prostrate to Adam.
If you worship God a thousand year it wont be accepted from you, until you obey Allah and follow Ahlulbayt. A.s.
Ali is the cousin of the prophet Muhammed and the the husband of the prophet daughter Fatima, who is considered in Islam as The leader of all women in this world and in Paradise.
Imam Ali was also the first defender of the prophet in the wars between the prophet and the Arab pagans.
During the life of the prophet many Arabs claim to be muslims and were called the Hypocrites.
After the prophet death his enemies cooperated, stolen power, killed his family including Imam Ali, and burnt his Hadith (narrations) and made up fake Hadith (Narrations) that suit them.
Small minority remain as an opposition to the brutal regimes ...and continued to follow the prophet family. Anybody can do his/her search...honest people will find the truth apparent.
Those who follow the killers of the prophet family (including "Iloveislam") shall always be liers.
So don't believe them when they say that we Shia worship Ali.
We consider Ali less than the prophet . And we Worship Allah alone.
Good Luck
This sucks, this is disgusting...
No wonder Muslims are killing each other, no wonder Muslims are drowned in such backwardness...
Keep calling each other kafir and mushrik,
And keep thinking that you are God who tells other Muslims if they are going to be accepted or not...but this is really sick...
No wonder Muslims are killing each other, no wonder Muslims are drowned in such backwardness...
Keep calling each other kafir and mushrik,
And keep thinking that you are God who tells other Muslims if they are going to be accepted or not...but this is really sick...
Don't appoint yourself as my God or any one's God and judge...who are you to tell any Muslim on earth if their prayers are going to be accepted or not?! huh?
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Peace
Quran & Sunnah
Unfortunately, we don't see any sign of collaboration to become one single united Ummah.
As you say sister we will never develop while we still have these kind of dialogue.
Peace
Quran & Sunnah
Who told you that we love Yazeed, we hate him since he was behind the death of sayyidna Hussain radiya Lahu `anh!
The shirk and Kufr is your religion which consider Allah as:
1. has hand and face.
2. beardless and has curly hair. Astaghfiru Lah, from where do you come with this wrong information??
3.inthe day after will put his feet in the hell.
That's a lie. In the Quran it is mentioned the hand the face.. but we never say that it is like ours hasha li Lah wa ta`ala `ani attachbih.
We do love Ahlu al bayt since they are the descendants of our beloved prophets and we love the companions since they were the best companions ever and our beloved Prophet loved and trusted them so much and incha'Allah we will be with them all in Paradise!
I wont start a debate about the results of you saying that Allah has a face and a hand.
Especially if we add to it that this same school believe that Allah can be seen by eyes.
With regard to what you said were wrong information, here is a proof with copies of the original documents. It cant be denied:
((ÊÕÍíÍ)) ÇÈä ÊíãíÉ áÍÏíË ÇáÔÇÈ ÇáÃãÑÏ ¡ æÃä ÇáäÈí (Õ) ÑÂå ((ÑÄíÇ Úíä)) áÇ ÑÄíÇ ãäÇã! - ÔÈßÉ åóÜÌóÜÑ ÇáËÞÇÝíÉ
With regard of loving Husain and hating Yazeed, you can listen to the highest Wahabi cleric saying defending Yazeed and saying that Hussain was wrong, and condemning him (a.s):
YouTube - ‫Ù Ùت٠اÙسÙÙ ÙÙÙ٠اÙØسÙ٠اخطا ...Ùا اÙت اÙصØ!!‬‎
Finally, lets the prophet (s) saying about all of these issues, in a Hadith that there is no doubt about it being true according to Sunnis:
"Behold! My Ahlul-Bayt are like the Ark of Noah. Whoever embarked in it was SAVED, and whoever turned away from it was PERISHED."
إن مثل أهل بيتي فيكم مثل سفينة نوح، من ركبها نجا ومن تخلف عنها هلك
About the crescent.
Walter J. Veith Islamic - Catholic Connection - Full Lecture
watch?v=9zvYTpf0qC0
Watch this video on youtube. Half of what this man says is weird and false as he seems to be full of hate and he is definitely a lunatic.
But when he tries to prove one thing, he sheds light on things without even knowing. Still you may not understand all without enough knowledge.
Walter J. Veith Islamic - Catholic Connection - Full Lecture
watch?v=9zvYTpf0qC0
Watch this video on youtube. Half of what this man says is weird and false as he seems to be full of hate and he is definitely a lunatic.
But when he tries to prove one thing, he sheds light on things without even knowing. Still you may not understand all without enough knowledge.