More about Jou Jou

[Brickjectivity]

Interesting thought. Might be. Have to wrestle with that. Not following the rest. Don’t necessarily disagree, just don’t follow.

I've fallen in love before, and the sky actually seemed more blue. Colors just broadcast themselves into me. My mind conformed itself to them. I could breathe the person and fathom them. It felt like I was seeing through their eyes, sometimes. When things didn't work out I lost awareness. I hardly noticed the sky, even when I looked at it. All of the gifts turned negative. When they were with me I could do things better. Without them my aim was off, all of my skills weakened. It was like I became thinner. Obviously they deeply affected my perception of reality.

 

[WalterTrull]

I've fallen in love before, and the sky actually seemed more blue. Colors just broadcast themselves into me. My mind conformed itself to them. I could breathe the person and fathom them. It felt like I was seeing through their eyes, sometimes. When things didn't work out I lost awareness. I hardly noticed the sky, even when I looked at it. All of the gifts turned negative. When they were with me I could do things better. Without them my aim was off, all of my skills weakened. It was like I became thinner. Obviously they deeply affected my perception of reality.

Interesting perspective. Can't say I've had it. I feel I love. Just not that version. Yours seems very uncomfortable.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Interesting perspective. Can't say I've had it. I feel I love. Just not that version. Yours seems very uncomfortable.

'Stupifying' would be a good description.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

I think the argument is that there is no physical universe, only the perception of one.

The problem I have with this idea, is that it makes no sense to then have beings that
appear to have conscious minds, but themselves do not actually believe that their
own consciousness is anythign more than illusion. (Materialists)

More concisely, atheist materialism exists - we speak to these entities all the time
(or at least try to). So their very existence is more than paradoxical - actually I
reckon that their existence is entirely contradictory to a purely mental universe.

Its a similar argument as to how people could not actually believe the universe
conatins some indeterministic features if it was entirely determined.
But people do believe in indeterminism, so the universe cannot be entirely deterministic.

It would be like saying all the universe is love, whilst acknowledging a hater.
Thats why only dualism makes sense; on all accounts.

 

[gnomon]

Ya know... If it's a mental universe, jou jou is real. Aspirin - strong jou jou. Beads - weak to moderate jou jou.

What about a good bowel movement?

Better than anything posted here in the last several years......namely by me.

Is a hearty BM good jou jou?

Ever wonder if what you say is less than a good BM?

Seriously talking about aspirin? Doesn't affect the BM.

Know your gut.

Though some people take beads out from the BM canal.

Sometimes it's terrifying to look in the mirror.

But if you can smile looking in the mirror.....

It's a good day.

 

[WalterTrull]

The problem I have with this idea, is that it makes no sense to then have beings that
appear to have conscious minds, but themselves do not actually believe that their
own consciousness is anythign more than illusion. (Materialists)

That's why the physicists who feel they have proven a mental universe, had to choose between solipsism and some form of deity. I believe they have all chosen the latter.

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

That's why the physicists who feel they have proven a mental universe, had to choose between solipsism and some form of deity. I believe they have all chosen the latter.

Well perhaps they have chosen the path that leads to the latter.
But is it possible that 'people' that do not actually believe
that the mind is more than illusion, are in fact not conscious beings?

It just makes no sense to decide that one is an epiphenomenon;
and I am struggling to find a way to think of materialists as having
actual souls. But that conclusion, rankles my sense of ethics.

So I am left with a decision: which is more real: Logic or ethics?
Or have I missed something else? Aesthetics?

 

[WalterTrull]

Well perhaps they have chosen the path that leads to the latter.
But is it possible that 'people' that do not actually believe
that the mind is more than illusion, are in fact not conscious beings?

It just makes no sense to decide that one is an epiphenomenon;
and I am struggling to find a way to think of materialists as having
actual souls. But that conclusion, rankles my sense of ethics.

So I am left with a decision: which is more real: Logic or ethics?
Or have I missed something else? Aesthetics?

Having a little trouble following, never-the-less:
The guys who feel they have proven mental universe and that matter is just perception of matter, sort of did rule out "separate" beings I guess.
Never used the word epiphenomenon before, had to look it up. Might be useful. I never have decided what I think about "soul". Doesn't seem useful for a materialist or a mentalist, only a dualist.
Using your word: logic, ethics, and aesthetics might be epiphenomenon of one mind. Hmmm...

 

[Jonathan Ainsley Bain]

Having a little trouble following, never-the-less:
The guys who feel they have proven mental universe and that matter is just perception of matter, sort of did rule out "separate" beings I guess.
Never used the word epiphenomenon before, had to look it up. Might be useful. I never have decided what I think about "soul". Doesn't seem useful for a materialist or a mentalist, only a dualist.
Using your word: logic, ethics, and aesthetics might be epiphenomenon of one mind. Hmmm...

Epiphenomenon is a word commonly used by academic materialists to relegate the mind to a situation
of being a causally worthless article. Essentially it lies at the bottom of materialist brainwashing.

Typically one's mind is constructed as having no active agency this way:
Your 'mind' is just caused by atoms which 'control' your thinking -
you have no free will, thus you are now under the control of forces
such as markets or sexual drives. In this way morality is also said to be an illusion,
and therefore you are now the unwitting pawn of others.

This type of thinking, I reckon is what drives most of mob mentality,
whether it is expressed academically, or just implied.
The very possibility of ideas such as 'jou-jou' go a long way to help
breaking down this type of self-inflicted helplessness.