David M
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No, its a fact. The actions of the west have absolutely contributed to the rise in radical islam.
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No, its a fact. The actions of the west have absolutely contributed to the rise in radical islam.
David M
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Do you think its ok for Governments to have their agents kill innocent people?
David M
Well-Known Member
BS. 27% do not sympathise with the gunmen, they have some sympathy with the motives behind the attacks. Guess what, I do as well, what they did cannot be justified but some of the motives of people who join such groups arise from legitimate grievances.
David M
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Signature strikes target innocent civilians on purpose.
outhouse
Atheistically
I'm sure hatred of what they don't understand or what their media has told them to believe definitely contributed, but radical islam has always existed in their own cultures.
You have to remember a muslims biggest enemy is another muslim, many muslims seek the west for safety.
And I do understand the power vacuum left when we leave, but no one realizes it was worse when we got there.
Its very dynamic the way politics are in action there, even their own.
BUT for our purpose we are dealing with the religious idealism in context.
outhouse
Atheistically
Don't get hung up on numbers, I was trying to prove a point that the minority of islam is not the only problem here.
The religion can and does deserve blame here.
Imagine if all christians were YEC and lived in a more violent culture. Would you say the religion had something to do with it?
Absolutely, because moderation cannot take foothold when fanaticism and severe fundamentalism is required by all.
outhouse
Atheistically
Terrible things happen in war, but there is no excuse for their terrorism.
David M
Well-Known Member
And you pretty much failed as the point was not supported by the poll. That is the problem with using quotes from a right-wing rag.
And yet, from the poll you used, 68% said that any attacks on the publishers of images of Mohamme were never justified (and 11% said that they were). Looks like moderation has more than a foothold.
David M
Well-Known Member
They do understand and your claim otherwise shows that air of arogance and self-superiority that runs through so many of your posts.
No, its the torture and murder of innocent people by the western powers that has contributed. Its the invasion of territiry and the anarchic mess that is left behind that contributes. Its the long support of dictators and tyrants that contributes.
If a drone strike killed my family members I'd certainly think that the governments responsible are evil and should be fought.
What excuse would you give for the other terrible things?
Not hard at all. The US is already one of the most violent cultures on Earth. How much more violent does it need to be?
http://valerietarico.com/2015/11/28...stematically-incited-colorado-clinic-assault/
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That cannot be justification for the massive generalisations.
It is his method to be in the limelight.
outhouse
Atheistically
Not sure about that. You have not refuted those numbers in ant way bud.
Examples please?
outhouse
Atheistically
2 wrongs make a right? or a left?
Ill see your 2 dead and raise you, genocide and or mass murder.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...phate-monitor/ar-AAfMYgC?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
IS executes 3,500 in Syria since declaring 'caliphate'
outhouse
Atheistically
But we can recognize it as a negative aspect of theism that should be corrected.
No one gets a free ride here. They should be held accountable, because these issues had been swept under the rug for a long time to hide the embarrassment.
outhouse
Atheistically
Guys you need to know the full thousand years of history here before throwing stones.
This is a decent article on militant Islam even if 13 years old.
http://www.meforum.org/168/at-war-with-whom
an ideology we have come to know as militant Islam, a minority outgrowth of the faith that exudes a bitter hatred for Western ideas, including capitalism, individualism, and consumerism
This is a decent article on militant Islam even if 13 years old.
http://www.meforum.org/168/at-war-with-whom
an ideology we have come to know as militant Islam, a minority outgrowth of the faith that exudes a bitter hatred for Western ideas, including capitalism, individualism, and consumerism
Values are extremely important.
Islamists (and there are hundreds of millions of them), value supremacism, misogyny, homophobia, and anti-semitism, and they think free speech and freedom of religion are evil.
This amounts to a huge cultural clash with the west.
Islamists (and there are hundreds of millions of them), value supremacism, misogyny, homophobia, and anti-semitism, and they think free speech and freedom of religion are evil.
This amounts to a huge cultural clash with the west.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Sounds like most Americans in the South.
The number of people in the US killed through some form of gun violence is the US last year was aound 12,000 (gunviolencearchive.org).
The US is far more violent, and senslessly so, than the ISIS caliphate. That's not to say that ISIS should be excused, but if we object to what ISIS is doing, how can we turn a blind eye to violence in our own back yard? How can we take moral ground we do not deserve?
And what would we do if some other country invaded to save us from ourselves?
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