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More Enviro Nonesense - Widening Highways Doesn’t Fix Traffic

Wu Wei

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Revoltingest said:
She sometimes visits NYC for the Korean restaurants.
(No true ones there. They put sugar in their kimchee.)
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jbg

jbg

Active Member
Wu Wei said:
It is not my stomping ground.... you may be surprised to know that NYC is only a small part of NYS..in area... also...you may want to sit down for this one.... NYC is not the capital of NYS either... I live darn near 200 miles north of NYC

And there has been trouble on the subways in NYC.... not as much now as there use to be.... but there are a whole lot more rats there now than there use to be too...road rage.... I think that is the norm for many NYC drivers and your considered weird if your not in rage while driving in NYC
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New York City was, though, capital of the U.S. Also there are plenty of NYS government offices in the city. It serves, in effect, as the capital. Do you really think business leaders want to meet government officials in Albany?

Well, given that you live 200 miles north of Albany maybe you've been there. I have inlaws from near Albany so I know; it is not the garden spot of NYS.
 
jbg

jbg

Active Member
Heyo said:
"Never attribute to malice what can be equally explained by stupidity." - Halon's Razor

Traffic is the result of people needing or wanting to go from A to B. On average they find the most convenient way to do just that. A city has several options to direct traffic.
1. Reduce the want or need to be at B.
2. Improve on the preferred way to travel.
3. Dis-incentivise the disfavoured way to travel.

The easiest and cheapest way to do it is, of course, #3. When driving becomes inconvenient, more people will switch to public transportation by comparison. Even more will do so if you also employ #2.
That's the most simple answer without going into details.

There are some additional thoughts going into it. E.g. going to a place where a lot of people are jammed together in a 1 tonne contraption surrounding you on all sides is stupid. Congestion on the roads would instantly vanish if you take away the cars and replace them by bikes.
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Their other choice is not to deal with or do business in NYC at all.
 
Wu Wei

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
jbg said:
New York City was, though, capital of the U.S. Also there are plenty of NYS government offices in the city. It serves, in effect, as the capital. Do you really think business leaders want to meet government officials in Albany?

Well, given that you live 200 miles north of Albany maybe you've been there. I have inlaws from near Albany so I know; it is not the garden spot of NYS.
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Never said I live 200 miles north of Albany..... I said I live 200 miles north of NYC.. and I work for the state... and the area, just a little north of Albany, IMO, is by far, better than NYC. Heck, IMO Albany is better than NYC, IMO... and I don't like Albany much...and business leaders do meet officials in Albany, heck they meet them in Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester....all over the state. The state has offices all over the state of NY, not just Albany and NYC...
 
Wu Wei

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
jbg said:
Their other choice is not to deal with or do business in NYC at all.
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Where is all of this coming from and why? .... working for the state, as I do, much of that with economic dev folks, you may be surprised to know that not all business comes from and goes to NYC. Also note, NYS is not NYS.... NYC has its own governmental and Eco dev systems that tend to be somewhat separate from NYS.
 
Stevicus

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
To post that NYC has crime problems isn't
relevant to an argument to de-concentrate
our population as it grows.
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Crime is typically a disincentive for people to want to live in large cities. Since it's a factor in pushing people out to the suburbs and rural exurbs, I would say that it is relevant to the overall topic.

In other words, if you don't want people leaving the cities and adding to the population density in the sticks, then it would be a good idea to reduce crime rates in the cities.

Loss of natural spaces, loss of farmland,
increasing paved surfaces, & increasing
commuting distances, & increasing energy
usage are problems too.
I say they're worse than hi-density building.
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Yes, these are problems, too, but what can be done about them? These problems are caused by other problems, and if you're not willing to address the problems that cause the other problems (or declare them to be "irrelevant"), then, well, that would be a problem.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Stevicus said:
Crime is typically a disincentive for people to want to live in large cities. Since it's a factor in pushing people out to the suburbs and rural exurbs, I would say that it is relevant to the overall topic.
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To cite a disincentive for this or that choice
is meaningless. It confirms an agenda, but
it's not an argument because it doesn't
weigh all incentives & disincentives for net
effect. I prefer to see things empirically, ie,
big cities in developed countries have more
people than rural areas.
In other words, if you don't want people leaving the cities and adding to the population density in the sticks, then it would be a good idea to reduce crime rates in the cities.
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You're arguing a red herring.
But I like kippered herring.
 
jbg

jbg

Active Member
Wu Wei said:
Never said I live 200 miles north of Albany..... I said I live 200 miles north of NYC.. and I work for the state... and the area, just a little north of Albany, IMO, is by far, better than NYC. Heck, IMO Albany is better than NYC, IMO... and I don't like Albany much...and business leaders do meet officials in Albany, heck they meet them in Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester....all over the state. The state has offices all over the state of NY, not just Albany and NYC...
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My bad. Misread your location. Glens Falls?
 
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